What to do next, after clean reinstallation of windows

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  1. Posts : 272
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    What to do next, after clean reinstallation of windows


    A few days ago my computer suddenly did not boot to windows and no matter how many times I have tried to force to reboot it just did not boot.

    It's really a pain.

    I've heard about terms like Ghost, Macrium Reflect, or system restore. However, I never did that.

    The terms are quite confusing to me.

    My question is

    1. Is there any way provided by windows 7 or windows 10 itself to restore everything when system error occurs or in my case, does not boot? If like my case (does not boot), how can I restore everything? Is it a flash drive?

    2. If there is no way provided by windows 7 or windows 10, which third party software is the best and widely recommended to do this job? Is it a freeware?
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  2. Posts : 30,277
    Windows 11 Pro x64 Version 23H2
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    Hi Tsw88

    Ghost, Acronis and Macrium Reflect are software products that allow you to create a backup, base on specific criteria or criteria they provide to restore your system or files? System restore is a Windows functions to restore specific items like the registry. See this wiki article

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Restore

    Depending who you ask System Restore is not as reliable as it should be in accomplishing that task.

    Within Windows 7 and 10 there is a Windows Backup and restore which emulates the functions in Ghost, Acronis and Macrium such as creating a System Image. This too has different levels of success. It is my understanding that MS is deprecating Windows Backup and Restore.

    Windows 10 does provide a method to try and repair issues and will place a recovery partition on your disk and allows you to create a Recovery Drive. You can also use boot media.

    Boot to Advanced Startup Options in Windows 10


    Now any backup software can and will have issues. Read this thread.

    How much do you trust Macrium Reflect?


    I use Macrium and yes there is a free version. The free version is excellent, I bought so I could do folders and would get Image Guard. It hasn't failed me. I verify my backups when created and I keep more than one. Within Macrium they have a preset criteria to backup the partitions necessary to start Windows. This does all the special ones not only the C: drive. (I would add that I have a Windows partition and a data partition. This is absolutely required, it just allows me to target backups)

    Backup and Restore with Macrium Reflect


    Other will share their insights
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  3. Posts : 7,920
    Windows 11 Pro 64 bit
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    I recommend using the excellent Macrium Reflect Free and consider Acronis software is poorly engineered and supported.

    Make a Reflect backup of your working clean install now and archive it. Then schedule automatic full and differential Reflect backups. I make a monthly full backup and weekly differential backups. I have an external drive connected to the PC for these automated backups. I also make a manual monthly backup to a drive stored separately from the PC just in case of a severe virus attack.

    I also set File History to back up my user files every 3 hours.
    Last edited by Steve C; 01 Mar 2019 at 14:32.
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  4. Posts : 11,246
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #4

    Hi there
    Take a backup also of this install before you add anything else so it gives you if you need to restore a quick way of getting back a clean install of Windows without having to do it again -- this you can then keep as a reference system.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. Posts : 43,235
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #5

    As above, use e.g. Macrium Reflect. Here's how:
    a. Create the first (base- larger, slower image) as soon as early as you reasonably can- before making too much change to your system.

    Make sure you set it up as it prompts you to keep the number of images on your backup disk as you wish.

    b. Keep a simple text log of changes you make - Settings, installed programs...
    c. Create a differential image using MR
    (This could be scheduled or manual- e.g. after a certain time or after some significant changes or before a significant change).

    Repeat (b, c).

    When you upgrade to the next build, repeat from (a).

    Note- creating a differential image over USB3 to a USB3 disk may only take a few minutes.

    Doing so can save you days when something goes wrong.

    Only problem: restoring an image of a partition means you restore everything on it- including your data. So plan ahead- keep your personal data off C:
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  6. Posts : 272
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    Thread Starter
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    Hi all above, can I update the new image of the windows every few hours? Because error and hardware failure could happen at any time. However, can I choose not to keep the image of
    downloaded video or other large files? In that case, do I always need to save or move the big files to a portable drive ASAP ?

    Do you recommend me keeping the updated image on another partition of the system drive or a separate USB stick?

    In that case, how big is the size of USB stick I will need? 64GB or 128GB?
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  7. Posts : 43,235
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #7

    Hi, Every few hours is significantly excessive. Best to think of backup like this: periodically image - every few days, every day if you wish, before/after a major change...

    Then, selectively back up important data using a different tool (free 3rd party backup, Onedrive, sync tools...) critical fast changing data.

    I use 1 or 2Tb external disks (HDDs). Assuming your C: has, say, 50-60Gb used space (your personal data, downloads etc being on a separate partition), then for a base image + a number of differential images you might need, say, 200Gb (images are compressed). This depends on the number of differential images (date range to restore from) you choose to keep.

    Then you would want to image your data partitions/disks too.
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  8. Posts : 272
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    Thread Starter
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    dalchina said:
    Hi, Every few hours is significantly excessive. Best to think of backup like this: periodically image - every few days, every day if you wish, before/after a major change...

    Then, selectively back up important data using a different tool (free 3rd party backup, Onedrive, sync tools...) critical fast changing data.

    I use 1 or 2Tb external disks (HDDs). Assuming your C: has, say, 50-60Gb used space (your personal data, downloads etc being on a separate partition), then for a base image + a number of differential images you might need, say, 200Gb (images are compressed). This depends on the number of differential images (date range to restore from) you choose to keep.

    Then you would want to image your data partitions/disks too.
    Sorry what is differential image? I don't understand

    I also do not understand what you mean by "
    Then you would want to image your data partitions/disks too"


    Sorry English is not my primary language. I am only a moderate English learner
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  9. Posts : 43,235
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #9

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    Macrium Reflect (free) offers differential imaging. The paid version adds incremental imaging and a number of other features.

    Then you would want to image your data partitions/disks too"
    If you've imaged the set of partitions that make up Windows, and you have other disks or partitions containing your personal files, for example, you should image those too.

    I.e. image all your disks/partitions - why not?

    But you can, of course, image Windows partitions (4 for a UEFI installation) separately and more frequently, and have 2 or more different folders of image files - 1 for Windows, 1 for data etc.
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  10. Posts : 31,905
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #10

    Tsw88 said:
    1. Is there any way provided by windows 7 or windows 10 itself to restore everything when system error occurs or in my case, does not boot? If like my case (does not boot), how can I restore everything? Is it a flash drive?
    There is a way provided by Windows 7 and 10. It is 'Create a system image' found in 'Backup & Restore (Windows 7)'. You make a system image to an external drive. An HDD would be best, but a flash drive can be used if it is a) large enough and b) ntfs formatted.

    I'd hardly recommend it though. I have used it extensively up until last year and found it to be unreliable and temperamental. It takes a lot of care to make it work reliably, apparently innocuous things like moving or renaming folders on the backup drive can make it fail to perform a restore. This could by why MS have deprecated it and now advise you to use something (anything) else.

    Microsoft said:
    System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
    We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.
    Features removed or Deprecated in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update

    I now use Macrium Reflect Free and find it 100% reliable. Macrium can store the image on a flash drive without needing it to be reformatted to ntfs. With Macrium the size of drive you need to store a system image will be about 60% - 70% of the used space on the partitions you include in the image.
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