Advice on how to connect Win 10 Desktop to Bluetooth Hearing Aids

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  1. Posts : 2,190
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit v22H2
       #21

    I think there is some confusion here. Bluetooth is not enough. Years ago Apple developed certain Bluetooth technology for their iOS platform to link with hearing aids. Hearing aids that work with this have Made for iPhone in their specifications. My hearing aids have this designation.

    Google has been slow at adapting to this but in 2019 as of Android 10 it now supports hearing aids. It appears that hearing aids manufacturers have been slow to develop hearing aids that are Made For All Phone devices so if you want that capability you are going to have to do some research before you buy new hearing aids.

    Bluetooth and hearing aids

    Developed through a collaboration of leading technology firms, Bluetooth is a wireless communication platform that allows for the transfer of data between two or more electronic devices. The technology uses radio waves set to a high frequency to transmit data without interference or security risks. A wide variety of products incorporating Bluetooth connectivity have been developed, including mobile phones, music players, computers, tablets and televisions.

    Made for iPhone

    Apple has patented specific Bluetooth connectivity with hearing aids so that certain hearing aids can communicate directly with the iOS platform that runs iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch devices. This technology is designed to allow the devices direct connection without extreme stress on battery power. Most hearing aid manufacturers have released hearing aids that implement this Bluetooth technology, marketed as Made for iPhone. Visit Apple's website for a current listing of specific hearing aids that are compatible with the iOS platform.

    Android phones

    Google is currently developing a similar hearing aid compatibility standard for the Android platform, and several hearing aid brands can now stream to Android-based phones using version 10.0 or higher.
    Bluetooth hearing aids
    Bluetooth hearing aids: Everything you need to know

    Made For Android hearing aids have been long-awaited and anticipated. Considering almost 80% of smartphone users use an Android-based phone, there is a massive market for hearing aids that connect directly to them in the way that Made For iPhone hearing aids do. Unfortunately, up to very recently, this has always been a problematic thing to achieve for the hearing device manufacturers. It has been quite a long time coming, but it has finally arrived. In an announcement on September 3rd 2019, it was confirmed that Made For Android would be finally available on Android 10 which began its rollout that day. The announcement said "For the first time, people with hearing loss can stream music, phone calls and other sounds directly from their compatible Google device to a ReSound LiNX Quattro hearing aid and Cochlear Nucleus 7 Sound Processor without worrying about their hearing devices’ battery life. "

    ...

    Bluetooth Hearing Aids That Work With Android Right Now

    There are Bluetooth hearing aids that work directly with Android right now. They are billed as Made For All Phone devices which is a concept of the Sonova group, their initial devices would allow you to answer calls hands-free in one hearing aid from an Android phone but would not allow you to stream audio to your hearing aids.
    Phonak Android Streaming

    However, the new Phonak Bluetooth hearing aid range called the Marvel will allow stereo streaming from an Android phone. It will also deliver stereo streaming from an iPhone, in fact, it will deliver both stereo streaming of phone calls and audio from any Bluetooth enabled phone. While these devices don't fit the rigid concept of MFI or MFA, they will connect to both Apple phones and Android phones and allow streaming.
    Made For Android Hearing Aids
    Made For Android Hearing Aids, The Types & The Brands
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  2. Posts : 18,432
    Windows 11 Pro
       #22

    My Phonak Audeo L90 (and the OP's L70) pair as standard headphones to any device that has Bluetooth headphone capability with no proprietary devices required. They pair with my Android phone for calls and stereo audio streaming, they pair with my Roku in stereo, they pair with Windows 10/11 as stereo headphones. The only thing I have not tried yet is using them as microphones for zoom/Skype. I'll look at that in a couple hours and see if they show up as a microphone in Windows.

    My hearing aids do everything my Bose Quiet Comfort headphones do, just with less bass.

    UPDATE: Yes, my hearing aids also show up as a headset microphone in Windows 11.
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  3. Posts : 1,223
    Windows 10
       #23

    Some hearing aids (such as audeo L90) have bluetooth a2dp profile so they can stream audio from computers to hearing aids without additional hardware accessories. a2dp is listed in the audeo L90 manual.

    It is best to ask your audiologist about bluetooth compatibility and whether you need to buy a proprietary "bridge" device and as MisterED found out that even his audiologist doesn't really know about this issue.

    People get confused because hearing aids normally work without any issue with their phones --- but that is only because the FCC made a regulation mandating phone compatibility with hearing aids. And that regulation doesn't extend to pc's because pc's don't use public airwaves so they are not subjected to FCC regulations.

    Government regulation is the first way to get compatibility.

    Competition is the second way to get compatibility --- as the US is allowing "over the counter" dispensing of hearing aids and people started using apple airpods as pseudo hearing aids --- hearing aids companies are migrating from their proprietary solutions to actual industry bluetooth 5.2 standards (that has hearing aids support).
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  4. Posts : 2,190
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit v22H2
       #24

    sandyt said:
    Some hearing aids (such as audeo L90) have bluetooth a2dp profile so they can stream audio from computers to hearing aids without additional hardware accessories. a2dp is listed in the audeo L90 manual.

    It is best to ask your audiologist about bluetooth compatibility and whether you need to buy a proprietary "bridge" device and as MisterED found out that even his audiologist doesn't really know about this issue.

    People get confused because hearing aids normally work without any issue with their phones --- but that is only because the FCC made a regulation mandating phone compatibility with hearing aids. And that regulation doesn't extend to pc's because pc's don't use public airwaves so they are not subjected to FCC regulations.

    Government regulation is the first way to get compatibility.

    Competition is the second way to get compatibility --- as the US is allowing "over the counter" dispensing of hearing aids and people started using apple airpods as pseudo hearing aids --- hearing aids companies are migrating from their proprietary solutions to actual industry bluetooth 5.2 standards (that has hearing aids support).
    Are you sure about the Bluetooth 5.2 requirement? The Samsung S21 (2021) I have only has Bluetooth 5.0. The Samsung S22 (2022) has Bluetooth 5.2 and the Samsung S23 (2023) has Bluetooth 5.3.
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  5. Posts : 1,223
    Windows 10
       #25

    Phonak hearing aids are Bluetooth 4.2 with A2DP.

    Phonak Support Community

    Bluetooth 5.2 added support for hearing aids in Bluetooth Low Energy.

    Bluetooth - Wikipedia

    As I said it repeatedly, you cannot look at cell phones and use them as examples because cell phones are covered by FCC compatibility requirements.
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  6. Posts : 132
    Win10 64 Home v 20H2
    Thread Starter
       #26

    NavyLCDR said:
    Mine have two different Bluetooth channels. One is LE (low energy) and is for command and control. The other is for streaming. You can see the two different channels on my Android phone screenshot:

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    Here are pictures of my sound settings on the PC and the what appears on my iPhone settings. I still get no sound from the TV (not connected in this picture) or the PC which shows as DESKTOP. The audiologist said she enabled the bluetooth on my hearing aids. Can you see what I'm doing wrong. Both devices paired, but no sound from either of them.
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  7. Posts : 18,432
    Windows 11 Pro
       #27

    On your Windows PC we need to see the Bluetooth screen. On your phone it looks like you have paired (Stanley's Right Aid), but you need to set it as a music or sound device. I don't know how to do that on iPhone.

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  8. Posts : 132
    Win10 64 Home v 20H2
    Thread Starter
       #28

    It looks like this:
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  9. Posts : 18,432
    Windows 11 Pro
       #29

    You need to turn your hearing aids off. Then back on. Then go to Add A Bluetooth Device in Windows and pair your hearing aids. You have something like 3 minutes after turning the hearing aids on to pair them. The key is to pair them to whatever you are trying to use them with within 3 minutes of turning them on.
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  10. Posts : 132
    Win10 64 Home v 20H2
    Thread Starter
       #30

    It worked! Thank you so much...
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