Windows 10: Microsoft: Edge so secure they don't need EMET anti zero-day shield

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  1. Posts : 19,911
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16179
       05 Feb 2016 #1

    Microsoft: Edge so secure they don't need EMET anti zero-day shield


    Microsoft has released a Windows 10-compatible version of its seven-year-old anti zero-day tool but says the product is surplus to requirements for its latest OS and Edge browser.

    Since 2009, if Microsoft couldn't patch a software flaw before it came under attack, it would tell enterprise customers to use EMET, the Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit.

    It has recommended it many times over the years but a case in point was when FireEye found hackers exploiting a bug affecting all versions of IE. Microsoft didn't have a patch, so it told everyone to use EMET until it released one.

    The company this week announced the officially Windows 10-compatible version 5.5 of EMET. However, it launches as a tool that Microsoft believes is now largely redundant, thanks to inbuilt security improvements it has made to Windows 10.

    Microsoft is so confident of how it has hardened its Windows 10 Edge browser that it's dropped support for it in EMET 5.5.

    "Given the advanced technologies used to protect Microsoft Edge, including industry-leading sandboxing, compiler, and memory-management techniques, EMET 5.5 mitigations do not apply to Edge," Microsoft's EMET team said.

    Microsoft is just as confident that Windows 10 devices won't need EMET.

    "We have implemented many features and mitigations that can make EMET unnecessary on devices running Windows 10," it said...


    Read more: Microsoft: Windows 10, Edge so secure they don't need our EMET anti zero-day shield | ZDNet


    See also: Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit (EMET) for Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums
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  2. Posts : 3,339
    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       05 Feb 2016 #2

    Edge of course replacing IE entirely was still designed primarily for use on devices where the OS is embedded with touchscreen deployed. It still lacks not security wise but for user wise for a default browser for the desktop platform MS has veered away from in the last few versions.

    Here having added on a list of browsers I still have yet to find the absolute one that I can count on for every day usage while the 3rd party protections employed suffice on actually blocking out most threats with the built in web filtering. Will Edge eventually be further developed into a more suitable user friendly browser has yet to be seen.
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  3. Posts : 1,839
    W10 Pro + W10 Preview
       06 Feb 2016 #3

    Only recently installed, good to know that W10 with increased security inbuilt makes this app redundant.
    Seems an awful waste of resources M$ bringing it out of beta, then stating there is no need using this O/S.
    As no longer necessary shall uninstall, nevertheless thanks Brink for the update.
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  4. Posts : 2,553
    Windows 10 Home x64: 1607 Redstone (1) Build 14393.1066
       06 Feb 2016 #4

    Edge Browser I have used from the first day I installed windows 10 on all my systems,
    Not once have I had any trouble browsing with it, on any of the forums or sites I visit.
    I don't use any of the other browsers others have listed
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  5.    06 Feb 2016 #5

    dencal said: View Post
    Only recently installed, good to know that W10 with increased security inbuilt makes this app redundant.
    Seems an awful waste of resources M$ bringing it out of beta, then stating there is no need using this O/S.
    As no longer necessary shall uninstall, nevertheless thanks Brink for the update.
    It is still useful if you have 3rd party apps though.

    With Windows 10 we have implemented many features and mitigations that can make EMET unnecessary on devices running Windows 10. EMET is most useful to help protect down-level systems, legacy applications, and to provide Control Flow Guard (CFG) protection for 3rd party software that may not yet be recompiled using CFG.
    Source
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  6. Posts : 3,339
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       06 Feb 2016 #6

    hTconeM9user said: View Post
    Edge Browser I have used from the first day I installed windows 10 on all my systems,
    Not once have I had any trouble browsing with it, on any of the forums or sites I visit.
    I don't use any of the other browsers others have listed
    That's simply your preference there however as many simply do not like Edge regardless of the reliability or security it may be bringing in with it. The design is more or less to browse the web in a form of virtual environment as far as isolating the web from the system it is running on.

    IE on the other hand while seriously outdated as most would immediately agree is often still being required. It kind of puts a Catch 22 onto things since Edge is intended to replace IE once and for all.
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  7. Posts : 1,482
    Windows 10 Home x64 (Laptop), Windows 10 Pro x64 (Desktop)
       06 Feb 2016 #7

    I would like to see to some independent assessment of the security robustness of Edge. I don't entirely trust MS software engineering given all the initial problems with Windows 10.
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  8. Posts : 3,339
    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       06 Feb 2016 #8

    Any version when first out will see bugs just as any new software will end up needing patches as times goes along. That's the reality in the Software world. With Edge MS simply slapped that into 10 without having seen any real word about it being in beta before 10 for those running 8 or 8.1 even 7 to try out. Like 8 thrust the unfinished dual platform OS into the game while stripping down the features people were expecting didn't go over well!

    As for 3rd party assessment you can be sure over time there will a number of blogs to be seen. MS is also reporting 10 as being the second most used OS globally next to 7's #1 spot. Yet the 10 app that returned and was just caught trying to get onto the main build as well report 110million while other reports boast over 200million?
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  9.    06 Feb 2016 #9

    Some of the reasons why you 'don't need EMET' with Windows 10 seem to rely on hardware features.

    So while a brand-new computer sold with Windows 10 might have 'Device Guard' for instance, an older computer upgraded to Windows 10 won't, and therefore would be less secure.

    For these older computers (which I'm sure many of us are running) I guess EMET still has a role?

    Having said all that, I must admit I didn't realise Edge had extra security over IE - I'd be a little more likely to recommend Edge to friends now.
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  10.    06 Feb 2016 #10

    lx07 said: View Post
    It is still useful if you have 3rd party apps though.
    Couldn't agree more. An adblocker add-on would push me to start using, as well a more intuitive bookmark menu allowing drag and drop w/o going to Settings. I do find it faster on some sites that I frequent but not all.
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