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  1.    01 Feb 2016 #1
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    Windows 10 build 14251 has Linux subsystem files, what could it mean?


    Microsoft took the developer (or at least the Windows ones) world by storm when it announces multiple “bridges” that allow developers of other platforms to port their apps more easily to Windows, two names from which stood out: Islandwood for iOS apps, and Astoria for Android.

    While Islandwood continues to get attention and even has projects to show for it (think Candy Crush), Astoria seems to have been left on the wayside. The final nail in the coffin was when Microsoft removed the Android subsystem it has built into Windows 10 Mobile that allowed the OS to run Android apps via emulation.

    Native Android apps on Windows seems a nigh impossible future, at least until now. A new discovery made in Windows 10 Redstone build 14251, which graced us with its presence not too long ago, may mean a very different course of action from Redmond.

    The discovery was first made by tweeter @h0x0d, who found lxcore.sys and lxss.sys subsystems in Windows 10 build 14251. The naming convention is very similar to the Android subsystem from Project Astoria, ADSS.SYS. The “lx”, however, can only mean one thing: Linux...


    Read more: Windows 10 build 14251 has Linux subsystem files, but what could it mean? WinBeta
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  2.    01 Feb 2016 #2
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    The linux files are probably part of the android bridge. Android runs on a heavily modified version of linux from what I've heard, so no big surprise really.
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  3.    01 Feb 2016 #3
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    they should build windows 10 on a unix core like mac is.
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  4.    02 Feb 2016 #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by pitbullpup View Post
    they should build windows 10 on a unix core like mac is.
    Microsoft wouldn't want to give the code away. It would have to be based on BSD license or LGPL. They also want to be able to charge for services. I think it could be called Windows 365 Linux enterprise this is where the subscription service may come in. You can charge for stuff under the Lgpl, BSD License, & even in some cases under the GPL.

    The problem charging for software with the GPLx, people could fork off of the source code and provide it for free.
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  5.    02 Feb 2016 #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by pitbullpup View Post
    they should build windows 10 on a unix core like mac is.
    Why should they? Why should they break every single application, hardware supported drivers, and well established user conventions just to satisfy your misguided opinion?

    Making sure it is clear, your idea would break everything. All software/hardware made for Windows would no longer function. Would require emulation just like Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X. No benefit in doing that for anyone, Microsoft or consumers.

    Apple got away with it way back then because their user base was absolutely tiny. Nor did they have any enterprise, corporate customers like Microsoft.
    Last edited by logicearth; 02 Feb 2016 at 03:38.
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  6.    02 Feb 2016 #6

    Hi there.

    Actually it makes a whole lot of sense -- the main reason people tend to favour Windows over any sort of Linux is usually because they like the GUI and hardware detection and driver installation is much easier in Windows for the majority than hobbling about with various competing Linux distros and their varied set of (optional) GUI's.

    If Ms keep the Windows GUI and functionality there's perfect logic in having a more Linux like kernel - I think with larger HDD's and things like NAS boxes being used more and more the limitations of the standard Windows file systems are becoming more and more obvious.

    The Storage spaces concept already shows Windows is beginning to think about using a new type of file system -- with cheap affordable 6 and even 10TB drives appearing at consumer level a Windows file system change is probably due anyway.

    So long as the GUI is reasonable and easy to use most users don't care "what's under the hood". I'm sure many people use Linux (perhaps unknowingly) every day without any problems -- Android phones for example, or things like Acronis bootable restore program and Gparted which are Linux based.

    Makes sense for Ms too -- they might even get Networking fixed properly with a more Linux based kernel. !!!

    (Some modern Linux distros have GUI's now very similar to windows -- you could make for example a KDE desktop - a popular Linux GUI used on several different distros - almost identical looking to Windows which a typical windows user wouldn't have any trouble using. So if the Windows GUI remains the same as now with similar functionality - as I said above - most people wouldn't care what's driving it - and if the file system does change Linux has had read / write on NTFS partitions for YEARS now.)

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7.    02 Feb 2016 #7

    Microsoft Winux.
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  8.    02 Feb 2016 #8

    Quote Originally Posted by swarfega View Post
    Microsoft Winux.
    Hi there.

    actually there used to be a product called Lindows -- I'm not sure what happened to it but I think some sort of Lawyers got involved and the product was dropped or the name changed.

    Lindows | Linux.org

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9.    02 Feb 2016 #9

    Yes I remember that distro. Aimed at new linux adopters from Windows.

    From Wikipedia:

    Linspire, previously known as LindowsOS, was a commercial operating system based on Debian GNU/Linux and later Ubuntu. Linspire was published by Linspire, Inc. and focused on ease-of-use, targeting home PC users. The last stable release of Linspire was version 6.0, which was released in October 2007.

    On July 1, 2008, Linspire stockholders elected to change the company's name to Digital Cornerstone, and all assets were acquired by Xandros.


    On August 8, 2008, Andreas Typaldos, CEO of Xandros, announced that Linspire would be discontinued in favor of Xandros; Freespire would change its base code from Ubuntu to Debian; and the Linspire brand would cease to exist.
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  10.    02 Feb 2016 #10
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    Right because we can just swap out the Windows core with Linux and throw the Windows GUI on top of it without any problems. I'm sorry, but that is just...you should not talk about things you have no understanding of. Operating Systems are complex systems, there is nothing simple about them. How they function, how they prioritize hardware and schedule applications while providing a framework for applications to do their task. Swapping any part out or changing it can have major ramifications. Just look at Windows Vista, it broke backwards compatibility in several areas. Tell me, how did everyone react to that? Do I need to give you a hint?

    "Under the hood" is just as important to everyone as the GUI, for those that depends on Windows. Changing it now would be suicide for Microsoft.
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