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  1. Posts : 31,923
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       #41

    Oscar Hotel said:
    ...I cannot read any of the files so therefore I can not upload without knowing if I'm sending a file with confidential information. So that means I have to figure out a way to either recreate the problem again or clear the problem another way.

    That is a sensible precaution.

    Oscar Hotel said:
    The problem is these are files that have been backed up then reinstalled. I can't read any of these. If I try to make a new file it does not give me the same problem.

    If you could make a new file with no personal info in Wordpad, then back it up and restore it the same way as you did for the others, you might be able to recreate the problem.

    If not, at least tell us what you used to back up and restore the files that got corrupted.
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  2. Posts : 7,606
    Windows 10 Home 20H2
       #42

    Oscar Hotel said:
    That is, I cannot read any of the files so therefore I can not upload without knowing if I'm sending a file with confidential information.
    Can the files be read properly on a different PC/OS/device?
    You can create a bootable WinPE or Linux USB device for free.
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  3. Posts : 110
    win 10 Pro
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       #43

    Bree said:
    That is a sensible precaution.




    If you could make a new file with no personal info in Wordpad, then back it up and restore it the same way as you did for the others, you might be able to recreate the problem.

    I'm working on it. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

    If not, at least tell us what you used to back up and restore the files that got corrupted.
    I mentioned in #10 I used an external drive.

    @Matthew Wai: "Can the files be read properly on a different PC/OS/device ?" I'm looking into that now.
    "You can create a bootable WinPE or Linux USB device for free." That's over my head.
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  4. Posts : 14,091
    Win10 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro and Home, Win7, Linux Mint
       #44

    Oscar Hotel said:
    I mentioned in #10 I used an external drive.
    Copying to and from External drives and getting corruption of files can suggest a much deeper problem such as impending hardware failure, over the last 25 years have seen it happen with motherboard problems and the ports on them, bad cables, bad drives.
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  5. Posts : 1,225
    W10-Pro 22H2
       #45

    Are we all missing something here? Oscar's original post showed what he sees when Wordpad opens one of his unknown-type files:
    WordPad issue-oscar-wordpad.png
    whilst below is what Dalchina saw when he opened a .doc file (word document ?) in Wordpad:
    WordPad issue-dalchina-doc.png
    They have the same opening bytes. So that tells me that Oscar's file is almost certainly a word .doc file, and his problem is possibly because by default it seems Wordpad will attempt to interpret a file as its native format, and thus shows 'nonsense'. But if he follows these instructions: How to Open .Doc in WordPad | Small Business - Chron.com
    on one of his files, then WP should open it and properly interpret the contents as a word .doc file.

    I don't have Wordpad to try it - oh, wait - I do! I never use it, but these are the first few bytes I get when I open a word .doc file: ÐÏࡱá

    Simples! - so all I have to do is tell WP to open a Word doc, as per the link above - but amazingly, it seems to have lost the capability - it can open .docx and other stuff, but not .doc - at least, not on my 19041.630 (2004) build.
    WordPad issue-wp-file-open.png
    I shall post this, but feel sure there must be a way round it...

    update: It seems that MS removed whatever support WP had for .doc files when Vista came out (source: Wikipedia), due to vulnerabilities. So Oscar has to ask himself how he came to create word .doc files, and ask us how to help. As he seems less than keen on free, Open Source, solutions, we may not be able to help. I, for one, won't be recommending any s/w made by other than MS. I don't want to upset him any further. Martin
    Last edited by mngerhold; 02 Dec 2020 at 11:02. Reason: update info
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  6. Posts : 7,606
    Windows 10 Home 20H2
       #46

    WordPad issue-junk-characters.jpg

    I saw the above when I used WordPad to open the DOC file attached below:
    WordPad issue Attached Files
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  7. Posts : 110
    win 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #47

    mngerhold said:
    Are we all missing something here? Oscar's original post showed what he sees when Wordpad opens one of his unknown-type files:
    WordPad issue-oscar-wordpad.png
    whilst below is what Dalchina saw when he opened a .doc file (word document ?) in Wordpad:
    WordPad issue-dalchina-doc.png
    They have the same opening bytes. So that tells me that Oscar's file is almost certainly a word .doc file, and his problem is possibly because by default it seems Wordpad will attempt to interpret a file as its native format, and thus shows 'nonsense'. But if he follows these instructions: How to Open .Doc in WordPad | Small Business - Chron.com
    on one of his files, then WP should open it and properly interpret the contents as a word .doc file.

    I don't have Wordpad to try it - oh, wait - I do! I never use it, but these are the first few bytes I get when I open a word .doc file: ÐÏࡱá

    Simples! - so all I have to do is tell WP to open a Word doc, as per the link above - but amazingly, it seems to have lost the capability - it can open .docx and other stuff, but not .doc - at least, not on my 19041.630 (2004) build.
    WordPad issue-wp-file-open.png
    I shall post this, but feel sure there must be a way round it...

    update: It seems that MS removed whatever support WP had for .doc files when Vista came out (source: Wikipedia), due to vulnerabilities. So Oscar has to ask himself how he came to create word .doc files, and ask us how to help. As he seems less than keen on free, Open Source, solutions, we may not be able to help. I, for one, won't be recommending any s/w made by other than MS. I don't want to upset him any further. Martin
    Please post the actual address instead of a Hot link. Thank you

    - - - Updated - - -

    the first screen shot is of a file that won't open.

    Second shot is of the same file opened on another PC. It's in the back ground.

    Third shot is of the advertisement that will not release this PC until I answer it's questions.
    Which I will not do because I'm not sure what it's asking or offering. So I do a forced shut down.

    WordPad issue-120220win1.png

    WordPad issue-120220window2.png

    WordPad issue-120220windows.png
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  8. Posts : 31,923
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #48

    mngerhold said:
    Are we all missing something here? Oscar's original post showed what he sees when Wordpad opens one of his unknown-type files ... that tells me that Oscar's file is almost certainly a word .doc file,...

    ...It seems that MS removed whatever support WP had for .doc files when Vista came out ... So Oscar has to ask himself how he came to create word .doc files, and ask us how to help...

    I think you have hit the nail on the head. As it happens I have been using an old Win95 PC to investigate problems on another thread, and Wordpad in Win95 saves as a Word 6.0 *.doc by default. Here's a document I just created in Win95 Wordpad and opened in Win10 Wordpad - it has those same tell-tale bytes....

    WordPad issue-image.png

    I, for one, won't be recommending any s/w made by other than MS. I don't want to upset him any further.

    There are online .doc to .docx converters that would be able to convert the document to a format that W10 Wordpad can open, but those would be equally unacceptable.

    The only other way to convert would be to open the .doc in Word and save as a .docx. There are a number of ways to get Microsoft Office for free, the most convenient if you have a Microsoft account would be to use Microsoft's free web browser version.

    How-To Geek | How to Get Microsoft Office for Free
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  9. Posts : 31,923
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #49

    Oscar Hotel said:
    Please post the actual address instead of a Hot link. Thank you
    The forum editor make that very difficult to do. It automatically creates the link when you type a url. Your browser will display the actual address when you hover over the link. Here's how it looks in Firefox....

    WordPad issue-image.png

    ...and Chromium Edge.

    WordPad issue-image.png

    One way to post the actual url is to put it in a Code box.
    Code:
    https://smallbusiness.chron.com/open-doc-wordpad-28104.html



    And here's the link I gave:

    Code:
    https://www.howtogeek.com/667717/how-to-get-microsoft-office-for-free/
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  10. Posts : 1,225
    W10-Pro 22H2
       #50

    Oscar Hotel said:
    Please post the actual address instead of a Hot link. Thank you
    Adding 'thank you' does not alter the fact that you are complaining about a link I gave to help you! You can see where it will go at the bottom of the browser window - a link like that is what you get if you insert a link via the icon to the left of the envelope on the 'toolbar'. It merely assigns a label to the link based on the web page. I usually just CTRL-V links in (and then they show the full address in the text), but this time I did not. Oh well.

    In the second shot MS is asking you to sign in to Office - you must have done something to trigger this. What might that have been? As I have suggested, your docs are probably Word docs, and cannot have been created by Wordpad (AFAIK), so at some point in the past you must have used Word (or some dodgy free open-source alternative) - do you know when that was, and how it came to be so? But it would appear you don't want to sign in to Office (which might need an MS account, and I can't blame you for that), so how do you expect to use Word again? Or maybe you don't - but Wordpad isn't going to get you anywhere (on its own).
    Oscar Hotel said:
    Third shot is of the advertisement that will not release this PC until I answer it's questions.
    Which I will not do because I'm not sure what it's asking or offering. So I do a forced shut down.
    I wouldn't call that an advertisement: they are asking you to either agree or not to 'sending optional data'. If you don't like the sound of that, why not select 'No' and then continue? You seem to have a level of 'cautiousness' that is preventing you helping yourself.

    There are three questions 'buried' in my reply - if you can answer those, we may be more able to help.
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