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  1. Posts : 2,935
    Windows 10 Home x64
       #761

    Thanks for the tip. I had a similar situation with an old Athlon Gigabyte board where there was no signal to display when any PCIe card was installed. Updating BIOS solved the issue.
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  2. Posts : 3,514
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #762

    The ultimate upgrade, to make sure you have all screensavers, games, applications, wallpapers, you go:

    Windows 95 -> Windows 98 -> Windows XP -> Windows Vista 32-bit SP1 -> Windows 7 32-bit -> Windows 10 32-bit

    Just kidding... You can go straight to Windows 10 and install anything else later.

    But I recently had an old Lenovo computer (Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM) running Windows XP Professional and my customer asked to upgrade to Windows 10 without losing anything. I had to upgrade to Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 32-bit, then to Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit and finally to Windows 10 Pro 32-bit. It succeeded and all I had to do was to update the drivers and enable all legacy features (DirectPlay and NTVM) to make sure most old applications will work OK. I also set the User Account Control to the lowest setting and forced some apps to run in Administrator mode. I have done it before. If you absolutely have to avoid format and you want Windows 10 you may try it. Provided you have downloaded any drivers beforehand, you should not have any nasty surprises. To make sure nothing would go wrong while upgrading from one Windows version to the next, I always copied all Windows setup files to a folder and run Setup from there. I avoid running Setup from USB or whatever source might not be available at some point due to missing drivers. I always prefer to run Setup from a local folder on the system's hard disk. This is as safe as it gets and much faster than USB or DVD. Of course you have to activate each version of Windows before being allowed to upgrade to the next. To be 100% legit you should have a genuine Windows license for all versions, but as long as you have a genuine license at least for the last version (Windows 10) you should be OK.
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  3. Posts : 31,692
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #763

    spapakons said:
    ...I recently had an old Lenovo computer (Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM) running Windows XP Professional and my customer asked to upgrade to Windows 10 without losing anything. I had to upgrade to Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 32-bit, then to Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit and finally to Windows 10 Pro 32-bit. It succeeded.....

    I had an XP Home laptop that had my only licenced copy of MS Office 2003. It died years ago (motherboard and/or power supply failure). The only remaining working part was its (IDE) hard drive. With no Office 2003 media (or the key) I wanted to preserve it for later use.

    I put the HDD in a USB external enclosure and took a Macrium image of it. Then I restored that to a VM and did the Vista>W7>W10 upgrades in the VM. The most difficult part was finding a Vista Home ISO.
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  4. Posts : 3,514
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #764

    ShowKeyPlus can find the Windows key. Isn't there any other utility to find the Office key? If Windows work, try Aida64, go to Software section.
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  5. Posts : 31,692
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #765

    spapakons said:
    ShowKeyPlus can find the Windows key. Isn't there any other utility to find the Office key?

    Yes, but only if you have a working system, I know of none that can extract an Office key from the HDD of a dead machine. Now that I have it running in a VM I've retrieved the Office 2003 key.
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #766

    If I remember correctly, ShowKeyPlus can also detect the key from another disk, not only from running version of Windows. Am I wrong? Too bad it doesn't also say the Office key. If Windows is working there are many options, I prefer Aida64 that also has a lot of hardware and software info at one application. It also has some benchmarks. Check it out.
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  7. Posts : 31,692
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #767

    spapakons said:
    If I remember correctly, ShowKeyPlus can also detect the key from another disk, not only from running version of Windows...
    Yes, ShowKeyPlus can retrieve a Windows key from an offlline install of Windows. It doesn't even have to be a working install, just that its SOFTWARE hive is still intact. Unfortunately it is specifically for finding Windows keys, not Office ones.
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    Windows 10 Home v 1909 OS build 18363.836
       #768
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #769

    Enabling PAE (access to 4GB or more RAM) at Windows 10 32-bit...

    I recently downloaded two utilities, PatchPae2 and PatchPae3 that claim to patch some system files and enable access to 4GB or more RAM at Windows 10 32-bit (normally it can access up to 3.2GB with discrete graphics card, or 2.9GB with onboard graphics card). I had used a similar utility in Windows 7 32-bit successfully, but unfortunately I had no success in Windows 10 32-bit.

    I have updated my test laptop to Windows 10 Pro 32-bit v2004. PatchPae2 checks Windows version and stops with a message that this version is not supported (it supports versions v1809 or earlier). The second utility PatchPae3 (which is newer) checks Windows version and find it compatible, so it applies the patches. Fortunately it doesn't patch the system files permanently, but rather patches a copy of the files and creates a second boot selection to boot with the patched files or boot with the original files. Probably v2004 is not 100% compatible and any attempt to boot with the patched files failed and gave me a black screen without any progress of Windows loading the desktop at the background. So it is not some compatibility issue with drivers, it simply doesn't work in v2004. I booted with the original system files and promptly removed the patched boot entry. Probably PatchPae3 works in v1903 or earlier, but did not test it to confirm. Besides I prefer having the latest version than having an old unstable (due to patching) version. It looks like I cannot avoid having to backup my data and install Windows 10 64-bit, if I want access to the full 4GB RAM.

    Anyone knows of a newer patch that works in v2004? Please post it here!
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  10. Posts : 31,692
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #770

    milus said:
    Good call. I have tried it now and yes, it does retrieve the Windows and Office 2003 keys from the SOFTWARE hive of an offline WinXP HDD.

    I should have known Nirsoft would have something, they do write some exceedingly useful little tools.
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