How to reliably share files and folders between Windows 10 PCs

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  1. Posts : 103
    Windows 10
       #1

    How to reliably share files and folders between Windows 10 PCs


    I have followed various different tutorials on how to setup file sharing over the small LAN I have. There are two PCs and One Laptop which all run Windows 10 Version 21H2 Build 19044,1826. I also have two VMs running Windows 10 21H2, two VMs running Windows 11 and three VMs running Ubuntu (various releases but not involved in this problem).

    When started the two main PCs , both of which have the FDPHost, FDResPub , SSDP Discovery and UPnP Device Host Startup Type set to Automatic correctly show up in the Network section of File Explorer. They all show the folders that have been set as shared and can be modified and opened and closed as the permissions of all of them have Everyone as Full Control. When the laptop is started it sometimes acts in the same way but with a problem. The folders do not always allow access.

    I have discovered that Restarting the FDResPub service can cure this sometimes, but not always. On some occasions the remote laptop will show the folders but deny access to them. If i try to access the laptop from the file explorer of one of the main PCs by typing the machine name or the local IP address the laptop will appear and sometimes demand to have network credentials entered.
    I do not know what network credentials are.
    Some of the time the laptop is started by a user with a different sign on; could this be the network credentials that it sometimes requests?

    Is there something else that needs to be checked?

    It would seem that someone with detailed technical knowledge of how Function Discovery works would know the ins and outs of this problem.

    I have avoided tackling the Windows 11 situation which is what I am preparing for but has shown some symptoms of the same problem.
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  2. Posts : 8,111
    windows 10
       #2

    By default windows passes username and password your logged in with to the pc if its a different user thats logged into the target pc it may ask for username and password (network credentials) it work simplest if you have an account on the target pc with same name password as the pcs your connecting from
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  3. Posts : 9,790
    Mac OS Catalina
       #3

    Either a NAS or use a Cloud service, which is the way that computing is heading.
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  4. Posts : 1,767
    Windows 10 Pro (+ Windows 10 Home VMs for testing)
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    Depending on the amount of files you want to share and your router, many/most routers these days now have a USB port that can be used with portable hard drives and/or USB sticks to provide an easy alternative to sneakernet.

    It's an easy alternative to navigating the joys of network discovery/authentication, etc., particularly when you have a mix of different OS platforms in use.

    Hope this helps...
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  5. Posts : 42,998
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #5

    Networking is a fraught area- fragile and readily broken, and hard to set up as you know.
    Mine- between 2 21H2 laptops- is now reliable; it was when they were both 1903- it wasn't when I kept one on 1903 and upgraded the other.

    Please confirm you do NOT have SMB1 enabled.
    This is the tutorial covering networking configuration:
    Share Files and Folders Over a Network in Windows 10
    - more linked after the main text.

    Network credentials: see:
    Enter network credentials error on Windows 11/10 [Fixed]

    and this thread on elevenforum.com
    Can't access shares on a Windows 11 system from a Windows 10 system | Windows 11 Forum
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  6. Posts : 103
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
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    @Samuria, Thanks for the info. I will have to try that on the laptop to check if it works.
    @bro67, Thanks for the suggestion but I do not want to spread the files outside my control.
    @RickC, Thanks for the suggestions but swapping USB sticks or other things is too slow. I use the second machines for working on projects and the first machine to download from the internet and have extensive security to check for rogue and/or malware before copying the parts required to the working machine/s.
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  7. Posts : 1,767
    Windows 10 Pro (+ Windows 10 Home VMs for testing)
       #7

    MacNala said:
    @RickC, Thanks for the suggestions but swapping USB sticks or other things is too slow.
    You don't swap them. You leave them permanently attached to your router as a very cheap form of network-attached storage rather than buyng a dedicated NAS.
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  8. Posts : 16,950
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
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    MacNala said:
    On some occasions the remote laptop will show the folders but deny access to them. If i try to access the laptop from the file explorer of one of the main PCs by typing the machine name or the local IP address the laptop will appear and sometimes demand to have network credentials entered.
    I do not know what network credentials are.
    Some of the time the laptop is started by a user with a different sign on; could this be the network credentials that it sometimes requests?
    Is there something else that needs to be checked?
    When you first access a new network computer, you are challenged to provide the UserName & password of an Admin account on the computer being accessed.
    This is/are the network credentials of which you speak.
    That Admin permission does not limit which users can then access the network computer.

    Personally, I set up an Admin on every computer that has the same UserName & password on them all but that is not essential.
    A consolidated network setup checklist [post #2] - TenForums
    My network setup continues to work after one of my computers has been "upgraded" to Windows 11.


    All the best,
    Denis
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  9. Posts : 103
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #9

    @dalchina, Thanks for the extensive considerations. Your comment about SMB1 has more to it than "is it enabled or not". Please expand your reason for the comment.
    I have tried all the methods in the article/tutorial you quote and found them wanting at times i.e. they don't always work.
    I have found that FDResPub if restarted seems to solve most (but not all) of the problems of reliability. I intend to use PowerShell Remote sessions to the other machines to help automate the propagating of the data and code I need for the project/s and for this Networking and Sharing must be Reliable. I have read some of the items about failing to share Win11 files with Win10 machines and am starting to wonder if it is a marketing ploy by MS to promote the cloud. The demise of File History is one of those steps.
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  10. Posts : 42,998
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #10

    I have found that FDResPub if restarted
    Some people have run a script to disable and enable that on startup. Your comment made me wonder if you have SMB1 enabled- you've not said if you have, as doing that is relevant in the context of SMB1 and the related computer browser service.

    SMB1 is only needed if you have on the network
    a. Win 7 devices
    b. Certain NAS's

    Otherwise not.. and if you do, it can take up to 30 mins for a device new to the network to be discovered, and an addiitonal service is run.

    It's a disadvantage to enable it if not needed, said to be a security risk, and deprecated.
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