Windows 10: New 4TB drive install..

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  1. Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       20 Aug 2015 #51

    So I understand ...
    The cloning initialized the drive as GPT and only got so far before failing to read the source drive - right?

    You said: Then I remembered something in the back of me head about empty unformatted drive I new then I was stuck
    IF you installed clean to unallocated space on the 4 TB drive - everything should be easy.

    If the cloning process created the 4 hidden partitions, I'd suggest that you re-install on an empty drive.

    I'd like to see how the 4 TB drive is partitioned now.

    To make it easy use my custom Disk Management snapin - it displays what I'd like to see.

    If you already downloaded the snapin, go to Step 2

    Step 1: Download this zip file (contains dmDskmgr-vd.mmc)


    Step 2: Double click dmDskmgr-vd.zip to open the compressed folder
    Double click dmDskmgr-vd.mmc to launch the custom Disk Management console
    You'll get an output similar to this:


    Press Alt+PrtScn to grab a snapshot of just the Disk Management window
    Open Paint and Ctrl+V to paste it, then save the image
    Attach the image to a new post.


    You can also use Disk Management in the x-Menu (right click the Windows logo, select Disk Management)
    Select View > Bottom > Disk list
    Maximize the window and grab the screen shot.

    We'll go from there.

    Yes computing is fun, I spent my corporate career in the industry - laughed for 50 years, still laughing


    Bill
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  2.    20 Aug 2015 #52

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  3.    20 Aug 2015 #53

    [QUOTE=ltj22;353158]Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	32777Hi Bill, Not sure if this is OK looks too small, can't remember how I attached the last lot!![/Q}
    Sorry Bill Thanks for getting back to me Can you see this OK As you can see the C: drive is rather big..would have liked it smaller..
    Hope you have got up off the floor from laughing..lol

    Something else I have just thought of..On my original HP drive before I upgraded to W10..there was a recovery partition to go back to Win8...will that still be there and usable?? I saw on here somewhere that after we have been using W10 for a month we would not be able to roll back to 8.1..

    Regards -Len
    Last edited by ltj22; 20 Aug 2015 at 11:13. Reason: Additional info
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  4. Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       20 Aug 2015 #54

    Yes, the image is fine and the schema looks good.

    To shrink C:

    Launch an elevated Command prompt
    -> right click the Windows logo on the task bar, select Command prompt (admin) from the menu

    Run defrag a few times - first to consolidate the free space, the to consolidate and defrag the file/folders

    defrag C: /x

    defrag C: /u /v
    Run this command until there are only 4 or 5 passes reported.
    Each time defrag runs, more fragmentation can occur. Windows native defrag is very good, but it is also sort of lazy (some might call it careful). It does a minimal or quick defrag.
    You might see a first run with 7 passes, but the 2nd run has 9 passes (only an example). I've seen it get down to 6 and then the next execution it's at 12 passes. It does this for a reason - it's careful.

    When you've exhausted defrag (might be 2 executions, but probably no more than 5 executions), you can see how much space on C; Windows will give back to you.

    Launch Disk Management
    Right click C:
    Select Shrink Volume...
    It will do some calculations and present how much you can shrink it.

    Accept all that is offered or define the size you want from what is offered.
    You can't take more than what Windows offers though
    The hard part is converting MB to GB.
    1 GB = 1024 MB
    2 GB = 2048 MB
    3 GB = 3072 MB
    4 GB = 4096 MB
    5 GB = 5102 MB
    ....
    Multiply the MB above by 10 or 100 to get larger conversions
    10 GB = 10240 MB
    20 GB = 20480 MB
    30 GB = 30720 MB
    40 GB = 40960 MB
    50 GB = 51020 MB

    100 GB = 102400 MB
    200 GB = 204800 MB
    300 GB = 307200 MB
    400 GB = 409600 MB
    500 GB = 510200 MB

    You get the idea

    The only thing I can do is laugh - too many computers would be thrown out the window and some of the machines I've worked on were quite large

    Bill
      My ComputerSystem Spec

  5.    20 Aug 2015 #55

    Slartybart said: View Post
    Yes, the image is fine and the schema looks good.

    To shrink C:

    Launch an elevated Command prompt
    -> right click the Windows logo on the task bar, select Command prompt (admin) from the menu

    Run defrag a few times - first to consolidate the free space, the to consolidate and defrag the file/folders

    defrag C: /x

    defrag C: /u /v
    Run this command until there are only 4 or 5 passes reported.
    Each time defrag runs, more fragmentation can occur. Windows native defrag is very good, but it is also sort of lazy (some might call it careful). It does a minimal or quick defrag.
    You might see a first run with 7 passes, but the 2nd run has 9 passes (only an example). I've seen it get down to 6 and then the next execution it's at 12 passes. It does this for a reason - it's careful.

    When you've exhausted defrag (might be 2 executions, but probably no more than 5 executions), you can see how much space on C; Windows will give back to you.

    Launch Disk Management
    Right click C:
    Select Shrink Volume...
    It will do some calculations and present how much you can shrink it.

    Accept all that is offered or define the size you want from what is offered.
    You can't take more than what Windows offers though
    The hard part is converting MB to GB.
    1 GB = 1024 MB
    2 GB = 2048 MB
    3 GB = 3072 MB
    4 GB = 4096 MB
    5 GB = 5102 MB
    ....
    Multiply the MB above by 10 or 100 to get larger conversions
    10 GB = 10240 MB
    20 GB = 20480 MB
    30 GB = 30720 MB
    40 GB = 40960 MB
    50 GB = 51020 MB

    100 GB = 102400 MB
    200 GB = 204800 MB
    300 GB = 307200 MB
    400 GB = 409600 MB
    500 GB = 510200 MB

    You get the idea

    The only thing I can do is laugh - too many computers would be thrown out the window and some of the machines I've worked on were quite large

    Bill


    Hi Bill, here is a screen defrag did not give much if any..Here is a screen shot..No will not allow any shrinkage just 1900000 and all the rest of the fields 0 and greyed out..I think its a reinstall...

    Also can can you tell me this..
    Something else I have just thought of..On my old original HP drive before I upgraded to W10.the one with the chkdsk problem...there was a recovery partition to go back to Win8...will that still be there and usable?? I saw on here somewhere that after we have been using W10 for a month we would not be able to roll back to 8.1..

    Thanks again..Regards -Len

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  6. Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       20 Aug 2015 #56

    Well that's no fun - no re-install necessary though
    There's something at the end of the drive that is preventing Windows shrink. It could be any data of any size. I noticed MS defrag does put stuff out there now.

    Minitool Partition Wizard might be the tool to use.
    I suggest the bootable version - hold on let me collect the links.

    Re: Win8.1 on the old drive. Again, not necessary.
    There is Windows.old on this Win10 install and you can if you really want - download the Win8.1 install media
    It wouldn't hurt to have that, but you can come back to that after you do some disk management.

    Back in a few (minutes? maybe, hours, probably!)

    You're up and running - this project is more maintenance than urgent - yes?
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  7.    20 Aug 2015 #57

    Slartybart said: View Post
    Well that's no fun - no re-install necessary though
    There's something at the end of the drive that is preventing Windows shrink. It could be any data of any size. I noticed MS defrag does put stuff out there now.

    Minitool Partition Wizard might be the tool to use.
    I suggest the bootable version - hold on let me collect the links.

    Re: Win8.1 on the old drive. Again, not necessary.
    There is Windows.old on this Win10 install and you can if you really want - download the Win8.1 install media
    It wouldn't hurt to have that, but you can come back to that after you do some disk management.

    Back in a few (minutes? maybe, hours, probably!)

    You're up and running - this project is more maintenance than urgent - yes?
    Hi Bill, Yes up and running lovely, really working well all updates done as they should...but don't want to install every thing until the C: is shrunk....Way to large, but if it can be done then no hurry at all...

    Thanks for all the time you are spending with me, its very much appreciated - Len
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  8. Posts : 2,034
    Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64 Win10Prox64
       20 Aug 2015 #58

    Minitool Partition Wizard might be the tool to use.
    I suggest the bootable version - hold on let me collect the links.
    Here's the link Bootable Partition Manger | MiniTool Partition Wizard Bootable Edition and use Rufus - Create bootable USB to create a bootable USB.
    1. Boot up from the USB. A screen similar to this will display.
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    2. Right click on C-Drive and select Move/Resize. Click at the end of C-Drive and drag to the left until you get C-Drive to the size you want, For Example: 200GB. Click OK
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      NOTE: For 200GB, the hi-lite text field should be: 1024 * 200 = 204800
    3. Move the mouse to the top left and click Apply to commit the change
    4. When done. Reboot Windows.
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  9.    20 Aug 2015 #59

    topgundcp said: View Post
    Here's the link Bootable Partition Manger | MiniTool Partition Wizard Bootable Edition and use Rufus - Create bootable USB to create a bootable USB.
    1. Boot up from the USB. A screen similar to this will display.
      Click image for larger version. 

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    2. Right click on C-Drive and select Move/Resize. Click at the end of C-Drive and drag to the left until you get C-Drive to the size you want, For Example: 200GB. Click OK
      Click image for larger version. 

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      NOTE: For 200GB, the hi-lite text field should be: 1024 * 200 = 204800
    3. Move the mouse to the top left and click Apply to commit the change
    4. When done. Reboot Windows.
    Hi, thanks for this, but the usb I have is password protected and cant be used for booting..can this be done with a dvd?

    Thx len
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  10. Posts : 2,034
    Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64 Win10Prox64
       20 Aug 2015 #60

    Hi, thanks for this, but the usb I have is password protected and cant be used for booting..can this be done with a dvd?
    Yes. Some people use imgburn. I use Ultra ISO. You can download a portable version of Ultra ISO (no installation needed)
    UltraISOPortable_9.6.5.paf.exe
    unzip to desktop, run it. Click on File->Open then select the ISO. Make sure it says Bootable CD/DVD as shown:
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    NOTE: The ISO is only 72MB insize, you can use a CD instead.
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