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  1.    07 May 2015 #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    No.. totally no. Tools like Python are open source and thus FREE. And charges for the use of the product would violate the basic agreement that exist in the usage of Python and countless other Open Source projects/products...
    it's okey for open source projects to charge money (or put ads , or sell users information like Ubuntu )
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  2.    07 May 2015 #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qushery View Post
    it's okey for open source projects to charge money (or put ads , or sell users information like Ubuntu )
    No, it's not. You don't understand what projects like Python and others are about. They are free and don't charge for their usage or put adds to support them. Putting any charge for them in any form would violate the basic tenet of Open Source.
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  3.    07 May 2015 #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    I just remembered something. There was a version of Windows that was "locked" to Windows Store only but was discontinued and never made it this far. The OP probably missed it and didn't know it existed before (or maybe there are still some surviving units in the MS Customer Returns warehouse and one of then use to be mine). The Windows RT.

    So I guess, the OP can cross this out from his wishlist or just get a Windows Phone.
    you're very close there , yes I want the safety and stability of Windows RT , the ability to run win32 and .net apps from full windows , and the ability to optionally install apps from any source like Android

    so you mix those 3 and you get Windows 10 that that have an app store full of win32 and .net apps , that is locked to the store by default and that have the ability to toggle something in the settings to install apps from any source .
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  4.    07 May 2015 #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    No, it's not. You don't understand what projects like Python and others are about. They are free and don't charge for their usage or put adds to support them. Putting any charge for them in any form would violate the basic tenet of Open Source.
    so they don't make any money ?
    okay they can be at the store and offer it for free

    or be outside the store (and since there users are developers they will know how to enable installing from outside the store)

    I really don't see any problem here
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  5.    07 May 2015 #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    I agree with @Winuser If I want a Mac OS experience then I'll use a Mac. I want to use Windows as it was meant to be and not to meet the needs of some/one of the users. Like I said,, if the users you're helping out are having issues with malware then it's up to you to educate them on how to avoid the problem and not up to the rest of us to help prevent that.
    but Windows is a mainstream OS , it's used by more than billion (and most of them are not advanced users)
    shouldn't windows works great for them ? and the advanced users like us will have an option to enable installing from other sources (just like we do today with Android)
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  6.    07 May 2015 #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qushery View Post
    so they don't make any money ?
    okay they can be at the store and offer it for free

    or be outside the store (and since there users are developers they will know how to enable installing from outside the store)

    I really don't see any problem here
    No,, the purpose of Open Source is not to make money. And I still don't want to have go to the store to install any of the things I use. The problem I see is that you're trying to impose what you want on others and I can't go along with that one bit.
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  7.    07 May 2015 #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulsalter View Post
    True, if the developer provides both options, unfortunately that is not always the case, so for some apps that I had I could only update from the store, meant the feature set was crippled because they had to abide by Apple store policies

    I would rather people got shown how to install things and read what they are doing instead of apps turning into paid or ad supported
    I think Windows store will not be like the apple store , they already promised photoshop element will be there , so we can test it when windows 10 is out and see if it is worse or the same as the photoshop elements of today.
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  8.    07 May 2015 #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qushery View Post
    but Windows is a mainstream OS , it's used by more than billion (and most of them are not advanced users)
    shouldn't windows works great for them ? and the advanced users like us will have an option to enable installing from other sources (just like we do today with Android)
    First off if you really like Mac OS or Android use them. Trying to keep others from hurting themselves is just silly.. there are lots of ways to get malware or viruses and no matter what anyone does people will continue to get them.

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  9.    07 May 2015 #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    No,, the purpose of Open Source is not to make money. And I still don't want to have go to the store to install any of the things I use. The problem I see is that you're trying to impose what you want on others and I can't go along with that one bit.
    but why should open source have a problem with the store as a download center for them ?
    and no no , I don't want to impose anything on you , from the start I said they should have an option in the settings to enable installing from any source for power users like you (like Android today)

    the fact that it's optional will mean 2 things :-
    1- windows by default will be very safe for normal uses (they will never get hit again with adware , malware or ransomware, just like the ipad)
    2- this will encourage developers to get their win32 and .net apps on the store ASAP
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  10.    07 May 2015 #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    First off if you really like Mac OS or Android use them. Trying to keep others from hurting themselves is just silly.. there are lots of ways to get malware or viruses and no matter what anyone does people will continue to get them.

    Jeff
    I use Android , I also use windows , as a windows user I can't see the good parts of other systems and ask Microsoft to implement them ?

    there are a lot of ways to die , is that an excuse to make houses less safe with no windows or doors , of course no , today installing apps from outside the store is a common way of getting malware , adware and ransomware , why not fix this issue in a way that take nothing out of windows , just adding more safety .
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