Set up 2.0TB HDD & 256 SSD: Winds 10 Dell Inspiron 10th Gen i7 1065G7


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    Set up 2.0TB HDD & 256 SSD: Winds 10 Dell Inspiron 10th Gen i7 1065G7


    Hello All!
    Just registered, and am glad to join you. After 15 years + of total Appleness, I invested in a brand new Dell Inspiron 17 Laptop - 10th Gen Intel Core i7-1065G7 with 2GB NVIDIA® GeForce® MX230 Graphics and 16GB of RAM running on Microsoft® Windows 10 Home (64-bit), from Costco (free 4 year warranty). My first 3 or four computers were all PC, but I tired of the Microsoft (Windows 98) unintuitiveness and constant invasions of my security, and wanted to reduce the thinning of my hair. Apple has served me well, and still will. But needing a new Lap top and having invested in a new Canon EOS M50 to do the Live Streaming that our profession now demands to make a living, I found that most of the live streaming software was PC based. Better to join than fight. So it's time for the best of both worlds approach.
    In reading the Customer recommendations on the Costco web for my new, as yet unarrived laptop (due Wednesday, May 27), I saw a recurring warning to carefully set up the proper management of the 2.0TB HDD & 256GB SSD drives from the very beginning. From the outset, assign the SSD to programs and the HDD to data, documents,photos, music, films etc. They all warned that this was neither intuitive nor easy with Windows 10 and that they could find little help either from Dell or Microsoft, so they were plodding throught the dense forest without proper guidance. One mentioned getting great help from TenForums.com. Voila! I admit to being the hunt and peck type who learns mostly from diving in and making mistakes, and, if lucky, learning by correcting them. If kind folks here have any advice on how to efficiently proceed, it would be greatly appreciated. I would love to get up and running in my tentative new PC World with as little stress as possible. Thank you & Best wishes for Memorial Day 2020.
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    MEAW51 said:
    I saw a recurring warning to carefully set up the proper management of the 2.0TB HDD & 256GB SSD drives from the very beginning
    I agree. Leaving it until later just means that you'll have lots more data to have to shuffle about and you might make a mistake or have a glitch that is difficult to get out of.

    MEAW51 said:
    From the outset, assign the SSD to programs and the HDD to data, documents,photos, music, films etc
    I agree. Whilst there are other schemes, I believe the best one is to use the SSD for the OS & applications and the HDD for your own files.
    You need to make some decisions before starting and you need to think through how these decisions affect your intended backup scheme.

    1 Depending on how you use the Maps application you might also want to shift its map files off the SSD or at least into a separate partition on the SSD. Deciding now keeps everything simple. There are two benefits but they might not apply to you.
    1.1 I have Maps of most of Europe and they add up to something like 5GB. I don't like adding 5GB every week to every system image in my backups so I have Maps data on a drive of its own so I can image & restore it separately every few months when one of the Maps gets updated.
    1.2 I have 3 computers and I reduce my data download needs by updating just one Maps drive then imaging it & restoring it to the other computers. Arguably, I don't need to do this anymore but I used to have just 3GB a month data allowance from my ISP so measures such as this used to be essential for me.

    2 You might find that some particular applications require such a large amount of storage that they affect your overall plans. If that is relevant to you then say what they will be because there might well be somebody here who knows about your intended applications and can provide specific advice about them.
    - I think this might apply to the specialist professional applications to which you allude.
    - This often applies to games.

    3 You can create a folder structure of your own on the HDD and just start using it. No grand schemes are required. No OS alterations are required. You might consider using a similar folder structure to what you have had on your apple thing. It is common to have the following folders but they can be named & arranged however you want: Documents, Music, Videos, Pictures. You will probably also want to create a Desktop folder [see #6 below]. You can also divide Documents into subfolders for your main lines of effort and each of these can be further subdivided. Just by way of example & nothing more, my own Documents folder is divided into: Business, Personal, Common, Suppliers, InfoSys

    4 You can augment that by opening each one of your applications and saving a test file to your Documents folder then opening a test file from that folder. Doing this makes most applications look there first in the future and that saves messing about browsing around the folders.

    5 You can augment that by checking the Options / Preferences within each of you applications to see if a default folder can be nominated there as well.

    6 You can augment that by 'relocating' the Desktop user folder [that has been created by Windows] to your HDD. This is by default in C:\Users\[YourUserName]\Desktop but the system can be told to use the folder you have created on your HDD instead. There is a tutorial here that can walk you through the whole procedure.

    7 You can augment that by 'relocating' other user folders [that have been created by Windows] such as the Documents, Music, Videos, Pictures to your HDD. These are by default in C:\Users\[YourUserName]\Documents etc but the system can be told to use the folders you have created on your HDD instead. There are tutorials here that can walk you through the whole procedure for each one. Not everybody bothers with this step and some think that it conveys no benefit.

    MEAW51 said:
    They all warned that this was ... nor easy with Windows 10
    I disagree. Once you decide what you need to do you will find it all logical and it will all be very easy. Your only difficulty will be reaching your decision but people here will be only too glad to help.

    MEAW51 said:
    One mentioned getting great help from TenForums.com.
    What clever people they are.

    MEAW51 said:
    I am, of course, also planning a robust & comprehensive approach to backing up.

    How very, very wise of you.
    Your disk usage decisions will influence your backup scheme decisions
    .
    In general, I would suggest making system images of your OS drive, separate images of your Maps drive [if applicable] and whatever file backup utility takes your fancy for backups of your own files on the HDD.

    System imaging
    Macrium Reflect is often recommended in this forum for making system images. Other utilities are available but this one is so commonplace that you can get plenty of help for it.

    Backup and Restore with Macrium Reflect - TenForumsTutorials
    Macrium Software Macrium Reflect Free
    Macrium USB - TenForums
    Macrium Reflect KnowledgeBase - user guide [version-independent link]

    It can make bootable system images. This facility is called viBoot and it requires Win10 Pro.
    Macrium viBoot - Macrium KB
    Macrium viBoot - Create Virtual Machine using Macrium Image - TenForumsTutorials

    Whatever file backup utility takes your fancy
    You can use a built-in facility called File history [if its name has changed recently one of the others will correct me] that creates a backup on another disk every time you change one of your own files.
    You can use a backup utility provided by a professional software publisher.
    You can cobble together your own procedure for backing up your own files - they are, when all is said & done, just a set of file copies.


    Denis
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    MEAW51 said:
    I admit to being the hunt and peck type who learns mostly from diving in and making mistakes, and, if lucky, learning by correcting them. If kind folks here have any advice on how to efficiently proceed, it would be greatly appreciated. I would love to get up and running in my tentative new PC World with as little stress as possible.

    Yeah--put Windows and all apps on the SSD; data on the HDD. Resist temptations to get cute and modify that.

    Let's see if I can hit a few things off the top of my head and in no particular order--I assume you have little/no experience with the Win 10 interface:

    1: Decide on a system backup plan; typically using Macrium imaging; possibly augmented by a separate unrelated data backup plan---likely to an external.

    2: Decide on anti-virus/anti-malware; most commonly built in Windows Defender, possibly augmented by Malwarebytes free or paid.

    3: Immerse yourself in Win 10 "settings", which contains 14 major subdivisions, with hundreds of subdivisions and switches underneath. Pay particular attention to Update and Security, System, and Privacy. You can easily spend a day on the first review of "settings". Locate and run "storage sense" periodically (found under "system" and then "storage").

    4: download and install something like HWInfo, to get a grip on your hardware (CPU, memory, power, fans, temperatures, etc)

    5: familiarize yourself with the far left icon on the taskbar ("start"). This is where you can find and open your applications and also access settings. Of course, you can also make taskbar shortcuts to the most frequently used for quicker access.

    6: examine "Windows Disk Management" as soon as possible after purchase---which will reveal your drives, partitions, occupied space, remaining space, etc.
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    Most laptops will come alrady setup with just a mini install to get it going a lot of firms will set the spinner up for software but you wont know what to do until you see how its been installed at the factory
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    [QUOTE=Try3;1919465]I agree. Leaving it until later just means that you'll have lots more data to have to shuffle about and you might make a mistake or have a glitch that is difficult to get out of.


    Thank you Denis, for your quick, insightful, and kind discussion. You touched on so many things I hadn't even thought of. I amd eager to get my new Laptop and dive in. Your guidance will be quite helpful. Will pot back up when it comes in. Mark

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    [QUOTE=ignatzatsonic;1919507]Yeah--put Windows and all apps on the SSD; data on the HDD. Resist temptations to get cute and modify that.

    Let's see if I can hit a few things off the top of my head and in no particular order--I assume you have little/no experience with the Win 10 interface:

    Thank you ignatzatsonic! These suggestions will be quite helpful. It feels better to know that this will most likely not be as stressful as I have been thinking. Wiil post back when the new PC comes and I take my first dive! Mark

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    Samuria said:
    Most laptops will come alrady setup with just a mini install to get it going a lot of firms will set the spinner up for software but you wont know what to do until you see how its been installed at the factory

    Thank you too, Samuria. Eager to get the Laptop on Wednesday and get started. Will update on my progress, and thoughts. Mark
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    @MEAW51 -

    Hi.

    I'm surprised that Dell would still be using a 256GB SSD in their laptops! I wouldn't settle for less than a 1 TB SSD and no HDD.
    Then again, you have to be careful of places like Costco and such, as they cut corners to bring in the product at an attractive price point.

    Have you tried pricing/configuring a similar system at the Dell website, just to compare?
    You might do better for just a few more dollars and Costco will gladly take back the one coming.

    FWIW.

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    My own Dell Inspiron 17 is 3 years old now and came with a 128GB "SSD" [actually an M.2 card] and 1TB HDD.

    Meaw51,

    You wrote "SSD" and that surprised Compumind. I would expect you to find that the "SSD" is actually described as an "M.2 card", which is less surprising.
    - An M.2 card is just another solid state storage technology. You don't necessarily have to be at all interested.
    - Dell don't sell Inspiron 17s in the UK any more so I cannot take a look at any current specs.
    - CostCo do not exist in the UK so I do not know the worth of their 4 year warranty.

    Denis
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    Try3 said:
    Meaw51,

    You wrote "SSD" and that surprised Compumind. I would expect you to find that the "SSD" is actually described as an "M.2 card", which is less surprising.
    The way I read it was that @Compumind was surprised at the SIZE of the SSD (so small). An "M.2 card" is still an SSD. SSDs come in different form factors, 2.5" SATAs, M.2, Mini PCIe are a few.
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    Oh, it was the size. I thought he was just picking up on the terminology the OP used.

    Dell has offered the Inspiron 17s in several configurations including
    - a larger SSD
    - a combination of a smaller SSD & a large HDD

    I chose the combination just as the OP did. I'd need a >1TB SSD if I was going for just a single disk.

    Denis
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    Mark,

    MEAW51 said:
    ... I invested in a brand new Dell Inspiron 17 Laptop ... due Wednesday, May 27 ...
    So you are now busy playing with your new toy conducting essential on-receipt checks?

    I won't interupt you unless you ask. Do remember that I also have a Dell Inspiron 17 [from 2016]. Mine is a 7779, meaning that
    - Mine has a combination of SSD [M.2 card] and HDD like yours
    - Mine has a touchscreen {you have not mentioned whether yours does or not}.

    Best of luck,
    Denis
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