VSS Errors 8193 and 13

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    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #351

    parsonm said:
    ...I have been trying to use Snip and Sketch to paste some screen shots here but I appear to be exceeding my knowledge on the subject. Any help gratefully appreciated.
    What's the problem? Taking the screenshot?

    Take Screenshot in Windows 10

    Or putting it into a post?

    How to Upload and Post Screenshots and Files at Ten Forums
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  2. Posts : 73
    Windows Home Premium v22H2 64bit OS Build 19045.4291
       #352

    Thanks to Bree for the information, hopefully it will work this time.
    As you can see from the properties image below it looks different from yours but it does say Local Computer in the header.
    VSS Errors 8193 and 13-annotation-2020-03-04-171902.png

    The snapshot below is from the registry for the GUID stated in the Event Log but there is no mention of Local Service. As Local service appears to be key here, I was wondering if this GUID and everything it points to should have Local Service in the properties with Full control?
    VSS Errors 8193 and 13-annotation-2020-03-04-172310.png
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  3. Posts : 773
    Windows 10 Home x64 - Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.2006)
       #353

    parsonm said:
    As you can see from the properties image below it looks different from yours but it does say Local Computer in the header.
    What is the latest build for Windows 10 Home Premium?

    Notice my build number is higher; but should not have the Premium version updated it's build number also?

    VSS Errors 8193 and 13-build.jpg

    Also, as pointed out earlier in the thread, it appears as though Microsoft may have migrated this particular error to the warnings section of the Event Viewer.

    As far as the "Local Service" properties, I wouldn't mess with that unless you are certain in your abilities to open a whole new can of worms.

    From what I can tell, Microsoft has addressed this issue in the latest build unless someone reports otherwise.

    Just waiting to hear from some of the others that participated in this thread as to if they are still getting the errors if they didn't try the batch file fix or my fix that worked before Microsoft even addressed the issue. Well for me anyway.
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  4. Posts : 655
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       #354

    EyeInTheSky said:
    From what I can tell, Microsoft has addressed this issue in the latest build unless someone reports otherwise.

    Just waiting to hear from some of the others that participated in this thread as to if they are still getting the errors if they didn't try the batch file fix or my fix that worked before Microsoft even addressed the issue. Well for me anyway.
    I doubt Microsoft has addressed this issue, I am still getting the errors. I get them about 40/50% of the time on shutdown. And most of the time when the system wants to create a SR point automatically.

    Other than that, I can create points manually, and restoring works. I did a system restore once, as a test, to see what happens, and as I reported here when I did it, it worked fine.

    To me personally, the bottom line with this is that it is annoying to get this ugly errors, but they don't cause a major issue and are not worth worrying any about them.

    Bo
    Last edited by bo elam; 04 Mar 2020 at 20:06.
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  5. Posts : 773
    Windows 10 Home x64 - Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.2006)
       #355

    bo elam said:
    To me personally, the bottom line wit this is that it is annoying to get this ugly errors, but they don't cause a major issue and are not worth worrying any about them.

    Bo
    I wasn't worried when getting them, what worried me was that I was able to get rid of them and others were not able to get rid of them using my method. That worried and troubled me more because the error was appearing on all our systems, yet the fix did not pertain to every system to correct the problem.

    Something doesn't sit right with me on this one and it perpetuates insinuations that need questioned when Microsoft makes a decision to fix some problems on only some computers. It begs the question "Does seniority or favoritism mitigate how Microsoft handles things?"
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  6. Posts : 655
    Windows 10 Home
    Thread Starter
       #356

    EyeInTheSky said:
    Something doesn't sit right with me on this one and it perpetuates insinuations that need questioned when Microsoft makes a decision to fix some problems on only some computers. It begs the question "Does seniority or favoritism mitigate how Microsoft handles things?"
    More likely than not MS prioritizes what they fix, based on urgency and importance. So, probably they think this errors are nothing, and probably are nothing, as to this day I still haven't seen them (MS) acknowledge them. We know we have been getting them for a long time, right? and a lot of people are getting them, but MS has never said anything about them. That kind of tells me that this errors can be ignored. If the errors were serious, they would have been fixed already, that's what I believe.

    Bo
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    Windows Home Premium v22H2 64bit OS Build 19045.4291
       #357

    Sorry EyeInTheSky, as mentioned in a previous post I am running 18363.693 I just haven't got round to updating the profile. I do confirm I am still seeing the errors.
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    Windows 10 Home x64 - Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.2006)
       #358

    parsonm said:
    Sorry EyeInTheSky, as mentioned in a previous post I am running 18363.693 I just haven't got round to updating the profile. I do confirm I am still seeing the errors.
    Yes, I just saw it in your post #348 - my fault, I have the tendency to look under the Avatar for the build number after I read a post and go with the last thing I saw if the person chooses to display that information there.

    As far as the errors, it has been established and confirmed by many if not all in this thread that even though the error occurs, backups still restore without a problem. In my overall previous assessment as pointed out in some of my earlier posts, Microsoft is probably not going to address an issue like this that produces what I think is a false positive error.

    Meaning, if the functionality of the OS is not in a critical state when a backup is being made or restored, then it is probably best that it is overlooked or left alone.
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  9. Posts : 73
    Windows Home Premium v22H2 64bit OS Build 19045.4291
       #359

    Fixing Volume Shadow Copy (VSS) Error with Event ID 8193


    Having found the article below, I thought I would share the information and results. Before you dive in, there are some points I would like to bring to your attention.
    The document is the best thing I have seen for describing the problem and a suitable fix. However, the second fix involving .bak files was not relevant in my case, as I didn’t have any. This may go to some way to explaining the differences between user systems.
    The article has two snapshots, one of the event log and the other is the security permissions for DIAG. I confirm that in my case Network Service did not have full control but by going to Advanced I did have two entries for Network Service. One that was full control was only applicable to files and sub folders and the other was Special this key only. I carried out an edit and changed it to Full Control for this key files and sub folders. However, this unfortunately did not clear the problem in my case. On checking further, I found that VSS in the string had no Network Service set whatsoever. So I added it with full control for this folder, subs and files. After a couple of starts the problem has disappeared from the event log. I always thought it was a permission problem somewhere but it is knowing where to look.

    Fixing Volume Shadow Copy (VSS) Error with Event ID 8193 | Windows OS Hub Best of luck.
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    Windows 10 Home x64 - Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.2006)
       #360

    parsonm said:
    After a couple of starts the problem has disappeared from the event log. I always thought it was a permission problem somewhere but it is knowing where to look.

    Fixing Volume Shadow Copy (VSS) Error with Event ID 8193 | Windows OS Hub Best of luck.

    Nice find!

    I'm left wondering that after this fix is applied, if it has to be reapplied after every Cumulative Update?
    Did you update to 18363.752 before or after you applied the fix?
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