Windows 10: Deregister Windows 10 on stolen PC?

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  1.    09 Dec 2017 #21

    Really dunno what MS is up to... ?

    See here ShowKeyPlus - Page 45 - Windows 10 Forums as well... I got DL via a MAK (VL is not supposed to be included in the upgrade) in Win 8 we needed a new MAK to upgrade.
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  2.    09 Dec 2017 #22

    What I should have said was on a clean install with a skip key the only key a PC gets with a DL is a generic key for the Edition installed. They may track them, I have no idea. I have seen posts where people have braged about using the same Windows 7 TechNet key over and over to activate multiple Windows 10 installs on different PCs..

    I went from Pro to Pro for Workstations via change product key, and entered my MSDN Retail key. The key I ended up with ended in 2YV77. The same one listed here, Generic Product Keys to Install Windows 10 Editions

    :EDIT I should have mentioned, I didn't have to go through the Store to upgrade from Pro to Pro for Workstations.
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  3.    09 Dec 2017 #23

    Superfly said: View Post
    Really dunno what MS is up to... ?

    See here ShowKeyPlus - Page 45 - Windows 10 Forums as well... I got DL via a MAK (VL is not supposed to be included in the upgrade) in Win 8 we needed a new MAK to upgrade.
    MAK keys aren't VL though right? Multi Activation but they don't use KMS? My Enterprise installs done with MAK keys all got Digital licences. Which I don't think should have happened? I posted it on Microsoft's private Yammer group but got no official reply. Only other MVP's saying WTH?
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       09 Dec 2017 #24

    Windows 7 TechNet keys were, at one time, fully retail MAK keys that never expired and could be used on a "Reasonable" number of different systems ( "reasonable" was never actually defined but was generally taken to be approximately 10 ) :)
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  5.    09 Dec 2017 #25

    Yeah, TechNet was probably a poor example to use. Getting back to Enterprise installs getting a DL. If your a large corporation and have some PC's licenced that way, do you still have to pony up for a license from Microsoft? If say they audited you? Not looking for a real answer, just something to ponder. 10 Pro could be activated the same way. Opens a real can of worms IMHO.
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       09 Dec 2017 #26

    All I can say is if you are a VL customer that is running 10000 seats and you occasionally go over by a few 10s of licences in use, you will not usually be even contacted by Microsoft, When I was dealing with VL the system administrator handled licensing in house, and was normally as strict as MS would be themselves, MS would be harsher on a company with 100 seats constantly going over but even then it was more likely to be a salesman that contacted the company with a special offer for extra seats

    Of course this applied to both licences you needed for a VL seat, The Seat licence and the Server Client licence ( a server came with a number 10,20,30,50,100 user-client licences with the server licence, you needed to purchase one of these user-client licences for each user/device in using the server,plus there was the licence for the copy of Windows on each device)
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  7.    09 Dec 2017 #27

    I never had any exposure to that side of things. No real knowledge of how it works etc. My point is, or was, If that PC is licensed with a DL does it count in your total allotment of KMS licenses. 10 Pro wouldn't or shouldn't but 10 Enterprise? Anyway I should just let it go, its taking things off topic a bit. There likely isn't a real answer anyway. It's just one of those things that makes you go Hmm?
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       09 Dec 2017 #28

    A VL key is designed to be monitored and "policed" local on the company server (KMS in Large organisations , General business server running the KM software for SME customers), there should be no day to day contact with Microsoft for checking the Key allocation.
    MAK keys are special multi-use keys for laptops and tablets Etc that are likely to be out of touch with a company Key Server for long periods these will be licensed as multiple standard retail licences so now would be held on microsoft's servers as a digital licence - How Microsoft will handle Multiple licence keys under the new system I have not a clue - But a default generic key may be what a user will see - who knows wat Microsoft's servers will retain, data wise
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  9.    09 Dec 2017 #29

    I'm not sure what key my Enterprise MAK installs got? I think showkey just puts up BBBBB-BBBBB- etc. I'm not sure I retrieved it or recorded it?
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  10.    09 Dec 2017 #30

    Just did a change product key on my main desktop PC and entered the generic Enterprise key. It upgraded but failed to activate.

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    Ran the trouble shooter and that failed. Tried slmgr /ato too, no good. Entered my MSDN MAK key and it activated with a Digital License. Showkey just shows all B's.
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