Windows 10: Windows Update now royally inoperative Solved

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  1. Posts : 54
    Windows 10 Professional
    Thread Starter
       22 Nov 2017 #11

    Clicked Update and Restart 12:53PM
    @30% 12:55
    then shut down
    did not restart

    Manual restart at 12:56
    Getting Windows Ready, do not turn off your computer

    updating, dntoyc
    92%@ 1:PM
    Windows Couldn't Complete the Updates
    Undoing Changes, dntyco
    Restarted before 1:01PM

    Windows Couldn't Complete Updates
    Undoing Changes, dntyco

    1:05 PM back on

    pop out that said unable to update etc

    I assume still FUBAR.

    What next, run bat file again just for kicks and grins?

    Let me know, thank you for your patient assistance.
    Last edited by 10fused; 22 Nov 2017 at 14:39.
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  2. Posts : 6,011
    Windows 10 Pro Build 1709
       22 Nov 2017 #12

    Which update are you trying to install, V1709 by chance?

    Have you run sfc /scannow to see if it may be reporting corruption.

    What version and build are you currently running?

    If you know what kind of machine or specific MB are you using?

    I had one machine, just the other day, 1709 failed twice but on third attempt it was successful. This is not a solution, I was feeling stubborn. Each time it ran it got some updates.

    I started making progress by setting sleep to never

    Thanks.
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  3. Posts : 54
    Windows 10 Professional
    Thread Starter
       22 Nov 2017 #13

    Caledon Ken said: View Post
    Which update are you trying to install, V1709 by chance?




    Looking in Windows Update it says the computer is up to date yet

    2017-11 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4048954)
    requires a restart to finish installing

    This is the same Quality update that has been hanging me up for weeks now.


    Have you run sfc /scannow to see if it may be reporting corruption.

    No I have not run sfc /scannow

    What version and build are you currently running?

    Version 1703
    Build 15063.674

    If you know what kind of machine or specific MB are you using?

    I am not sure what you mean by machine beyond my device specifics included in my profile.
    It is a NUC, I love it and it has been amazing with this being the first Windows product I've ever owned that has given me virtually zero trouble. I suspect it may have been hacked/compromised and is a high value target to certain entities.
    I do not know what MB means.


    I had one machine, just the other day, 1709 failed twice but on third attempt it was successful. This is not a solution, I was feeling stubborn. Each time it ran it got some updates.

    I am guessing had I not flubbed up in originally renaming one of the files with an .ol suffix instead of .old, getting to the core of the problem may have been simpler?
    The directions the prior two posters offered were not very clear and the second poster may have overlooked the changing had been done directed to system32 with the first poster's instructions seemingly directing me to enter commands from windows and backed out of system32.
    I am not sure, but, this 1703 has been the hang up for a while now and I've never had a problem with this device updating prior.



    I started making progress by setting sleep to never.

    My machine never sleeps, it is either on or turned off.
    Screen sleeps after 1 hour.
    However, some time before this became evident as a problem, I would notice my machine would turn itself on while I slept and the little light beside the power button would be flashing as if it would communicating or moving data. This would be with no ethernet and my wifi hotspot turned off. I am located just feet away from several wifi sources and this has made me quite curious and to the point I would disco the power cable when turning it off at the end of the day.
    I do believe the event viewer is broken and far from fully functioning.


    Thanks.

    Thank you and very much so. I wish I knew what to do next.
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  4. Posts : 6,011
    Windows 10 Pro Build 1709
       22 Nov 2017 #14

    Sorry about the machine question, I should have checked specs. Nice unit.

    MB=Motherboard

    I wouldn't worry about rename. They were just trying to get a different name on folder so Windows would recreate. Old is more meaningful that ol. You renamed it so Windows recreated. That bat also renamed the one you created by running updates.

    The flashing in middle of night is maintenance trying to run. You can change that schedule with

    Change Automatic Maintenance Settings in Windows 10

    Were off topic. Back to task at hand.

    Please run sfc /scannow

    What are you thoughts of installing V1709? I always recommend backing up data and making an Image, this is an OS upgrade.

    Ken
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  5. Posts : 54
    Windows 10 Professional
    Thread Starter
       22 Nov 2017 #15

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    Nothing found and thanks, I have been very happy with the NUC and have my eye on their latest greatest.
    I think MB may be Haswell?

    At this point a backup would need to be made on an external drive I have since I doubt I have room on the machine itself to store a backup.

    I'm not opposed to 1709 and the OS update.
    Are there any benefits?
    Does a tutorial exist on how to do it?


    Off subject, I'm not sure which of the tasks are running and able to turn the machine back on after I turn it off, I certainly want to learn and fix that to suit my preferences.

    I did look at the tutorial on scheduled maintenance. Its behavior doesn't align with how that is described to work. Whatever this is does two things I've noted:

    1) Will sometimes not turn off when I power it off requiring pushing and holding the physical power button for 5-ish seconds. This happened last night.

    I did manually turn off the machine last night and the record showed it did maintenance early this morning shortly after 2AM. The machine was certainly manually turned off prior. What I read is this scheduled maintenance occurs only if the machine is on and idling.

    2) It turns itself back on if left plugged in and just like this morning, well outside the 1 hour window of time it is stated is allowed for maintenance, it appeared quite busy at 5:30AM.

    My WIFI is turned off, I have a shortcut to its setting on my task bar, and never set to connect automatically for added security. That may be silly to think that would reduce the chances of war-driving it and most time I do indeed hard-wire to my hotspot. I almost only use WIFI to connect to my printer/scanner or network with other office machines. Now I am even more suspicious.

    Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
    Last edited by 10fused; 22 Nov 2017 at 19:00.
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  6. Posts : 6,011
    Windows 10 Pro Build 1709
       22 Nov 2017 #16

    Yes Brink does a hell of a job with the tutorials.

    So basically you are going to go the Windows Media Creation tool page, download the tool and execute it. I would create a USB thumb drive, 8GB minimum, with the code. Then you make sure you have a back up, change and save one BIOS setting, install the USB key, navigate to setup and double click, Then be patient, you will get black screens, spinning dots, you know the drill. Just let it complete. Some have taken hours, literally hours, like five hours. Some zip through.

    Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade

    I gave you the cheat notes, please read the tutorial. You mentioned hotspot, this is a big download.

    You are running Pro so you have the ability to defer updates. That said it is likely if you had got this troublesome update in and were not delaying updates 1709 would have been pushed either by now or within the next few weeks. It may still do this on its own so you do not have to force.

    You can try that file you downloaded with Trouble Shooter and try that pesky update again.

    On the other subject, Windows running locally does not have the ability to turn on a powered off machine. You should check your settings for what the power button does and you should check your BIOS for maintenance settings. Your machine likely supports Connected Standby as a sleep state which is still on a far as Windows is concerned.

    Happy Thanksgiving to you.
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  7. Posts : 54
    Windows 10 Professional
    Thread Starter
       22 Nov 2017 #17

    I'll dig in over the next couple days. I have never delayed updates and take them as pushed. I do the business (beta?) updates.

    It did its non turn off thing again tonight. Appeared to power down, screen reports no video signal and eventually turns itself completely off (normal).

    Power button glowing blue and the indicator next to it flashing blue.

    Hold 5 seconds and it did shut off. Disco'd the power cord. Annoying.

    I will check out the BIOS just the same.

    Thanks again.
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  8. Posts : 54
    Windows 10 Professional
    Thread Starter
       24 Nov 2017 #18

    Ok, couldn't get to the BIOS from the advanced start method. Consumed quite a bit of time trying tp make ready then update which failed.

    Got to BIOS using F2. Went in, inspected, the only thing I did was check "secure boot" (which apparently was not enabled) then unchecked it to make sure it was not enabled.

    Now, blackscreen displaying only, "A bootable device has not been detected"

    Tried powering off then powering back on. Same blackscreen and message.

    It sits here silently mocking me. :-)
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  9. Posts : 54
    Windows 10 Professional
    Thread Starter
       24 Nov 2017 #19

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  10. Posts : 6,011
    Windows 10 Pro Build 1709
       24 Nov 2017 #20

    Please re-enter the BIOS and head back to Secure boot and reset it to what ever it was set to. Not following, you said it was disabled and then you unchecked it.

    Did you make any other changes to BIOS.
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