Windows 10: Windows 10 Update Failure for 1703 and 1607

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  1. Bree's Avatar
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    10 Home x64 (1803) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       17 Oct 2017 #11

    Cerbiechan said: View Post
    (by the way how do I make a disk image ? )
    Macrium is often recommended on these boards...

    Backup and Restore with Macrium Reflect

    ...the built-in Microsoft imaging can be unreliable/temperamental....

    Create System Image in Windows 10


    ...and even Microsoft have declared it as 'deprecated' in the Fall Creators Update.
    System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
    We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.
    Features removed or Deprecated in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update
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  2.    17 Oct 2017 #12

    Bree said: View Post
    Macrium is often recommended on these boards...

    Backup and Restore with Macrium Reflect

    ...the built-in Microsoft imaging can be unreliable/temperamental....

    Create System Image in Windows 10


    ...and even Microsoft have declared it as 'deprecated' in the Fall Creators Update.
    Features removed or Deprecated in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update
    should I even make one when there are some errors ?
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  3.    17 Oct 2017 #13

    Creating a disk image of Windows.
    As your disk is ok, and chkdsk passed, Macrium should be able to create a disk image. (It usually can't if the disk is failing/faulty).

    Is SFC failing significant?
    That SFC fails (comparing system files with a repository of system files) has nothing to do with whether it will be possible to create a disk image. From that point of view, your system files are just data. Whether the data is consistent or correct is not important to image creation.

    Why create a disk image? So if something goes even more badly wrong you should always be able to get back to this point. That's why we constantly and repeatedly urge people to use disk imaging routinely- so they can often rescue themselves from bad situations quickly and without technical help. Even disk failure.

    How do you create your first disk image of Windows?
    Connect a sufficiently large USB disk (images are compressed- so your first is likely to be a bit more than half the used space you are imaging. Allow a lot more than that for other disks/partitions and differential images ('updates' - sort of). Note most videos and jpgs don't compress further.

    Install and run Macrium Reflect.
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    Click Backup Windows. In the next window all relevant partitions should be selected.
    Carry on to start the imaging process.
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  4.    17 Oct 2017 #14

    Once you have created the image, you are secure at that point.
    You now have to
    - make space on C: as I said earlier
    (E.g. clean up (use Ccleaner; Properties + Disk cleanup; move personal data off C:)
    - create 500Mb unallocated space on your disk
    - fix your windows installation (this will be the tricky bit)
    As SFC /SCANNOW doesn't work I recommend you do an in-place upgrade install which keeps all programs and data. However you will need to download an iso for build 1511 - or do you already have a boot disk or iso for that?
    Last edited by dalchina; 17 Oct 2017 at 13:06.
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    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       17 Oct 2017 #15

    This is a link on comparing an image to a clone:
    Whats the Difference: Disk Cloning vs Disk Imaging | Daves Computer Tips
    A backup image can be updated.
    So having more options for drive problems is always a good idea..

    When the sfc /scannow command finds integrity violations and is unable to fix them or if the sfc /scannow can not complete you can try the dism commands. Alternatively you can perform an in place upgrade repair as dalchina outlined above. There are many dism commands and some may work while others fail. So you can start with the most common commands.

    Open administrative command prompt and copy and paste these commands:

    1) dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
    2) dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth
    3) dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
    4) When these have completed > right click on the top bar or title bar of the administrative command prompt box > left click on edit then select all > right click on the top bar again > left click on edit then copy > paste into the thread


    Use DISM to Repair Windows 10 Image Performance Maintenance Tutorials
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  6.    17 Oct 2017 #16

    @zbook: I opted for an in-place upgrade repair as being an old installation, and the object is to upgrade it, trying DISM may well prove to be unsuccessful.

    Also, I want to achieve the first two and demonstrate that has been done before trying to repair the system. And before trying to repair it, update the disk image. I.e. proceed in order, cautiously.
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    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       17 Oct 2017 #17

    The in place upgrade to 1511 will add familiarity if successful.

    If there is no old windows 10 iso the OP could take a chance to see if the Fall upgrade works or fails.

    Having a backup image adds a layer of protection for an upgrade failure.

    There are websites that offer windows 1511 iso but it is unclear if there are or are not tag-a-longs. So what are you really getting?
    These are some of them:
    Microsoft Windows 10 TH2 ISO Download • Windows ISO
    [SOLVED] Windows 10 1511 ISO Download - Spiceworks
    OneDrive
    Windows 10 Version 1511 Build 10586 ISO Download [Feb 2016 Update] - Softlay
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  8.    17 Oct 2017 #18

    The CBS log shows that there was massive corruption.
    I estimate it (SFC) made over 300 corrections, to Defender/NetFrameWork/VB/Mail/ PowerShell and others

    Updates appear to failing as manifest files within them are also corrupt.
    these will require specific user input as DISM, in any form WILL NOT correct them.

    Roy
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  9.    17 Oct 2017 #19

    Thanks @hawkman

    I don't think it will upgrade as it is for at least the 3 reasons I've stated:
    a. insufficient space on C:
    b. lack of unallocated space
    c. corruption of the OS

    a. and b. can hopefully be fixed (I'd like to see that done, and evidence, being relatively straightforward).

    Then if necessary I was going to provide a source for the iso.
    @zbook - I purposely did not provide a source for the iso so as to concentrate on a. and b. first- in order.
    @zbook - this is now your thread. Good luck.
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  10. Posts : 19,877
    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       17 Oct 2017 #20

    Sorry I was going to pass too.
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