I don't want version 1607

The new Windows as a service is great in theory but sadly lacks capable developers, the quality of the work is shoddy at best, I spent on average 10 times more often troubleshooting and fixing Windows that ever before.

positronic said:

The new Windows as a service is great in theory but sadly lacks capable developers, the quality of the work is shoddy at best, I spent on average 10 times more often troubleshooting and fixing Windows that ever before.

How many of the over 400 million devices running Windows 10 across 192 countries do you suppose have the same problem? I've got a dozen computers on my home network that run Windows 10 Home and Pro versions flawlessly. My "fixing" Windows consists of grabbing the next major upgrade ISO file and upgrading them manually every 6 months or so. Lots of other members here have the same experience.

They run flawlessly skin deep, once you dig into Windows you start seeing the issues pop up, and no Im not alone, Im another of those millions suffering, driver installations alone ruin many experiences for many users because you are forced to consume whatever Microsoft deems to push down windows update and you cant stop them unless you know how.

Another great segment, testified by many posts on these boards and other boards across the internet are about broken windows updates where older poor quality updates prevent newer updates from installing, again many many people suffer from this, not just me or mine.

This of grabbing the iso and reinstalling windows every 6 months is absurd in this day and age, but often (I agree) the only way to get a decent Windows installation.

@NavyLCDR its not ideal to have re-installations every 6 months, and that cant be considered anything but a band-aid on a bigger issue.

Hardly surprising people want to avoid upgrading

And BTW Im agreeing with you, if it wasnt obvious in between my rant My last Windows 7 Install is running perfectly for 6,8 years. My Linux Installs are some 15 years old, and all upgrade just fine and work near flawlessness, as no such thing as bug free exists..

positronic said:

@NavyLCDR its not ideal to have re-installations every 6 months, and that cant be considered anything but a band-aid on a bigger issue.

You misunderstand my post. I don't re-install every six months. I manually do the next big upgrade with the ISO file. Build 10240 to version 1511, version 1511 to 1607, and now 1607 to version 1703. I prefer to do the upgrade ahead of time before it pushes through Windows Update. I've upgraded 7 computers on my network now, nearly flawlessly. The single issue I have had in the last 2 years is 1 computer that just does not like to run USB attached WiFi network adapters for some reason.

But it's just like anything else in life, some people like certain products and some people have reason to not like certain products. Considering that Windows has to work on billions upon billions of different hardware combinations, I think it's a pretty solid OS. Even the US military is already moving to Windows 10.

Still its not how its supposed to work and if you follow what Microsoft prescribe via WU you will end up with much broken.

positronic said:

They run flawlessly skin deep, once you dig into Windows you start seeing the issues pop up, and no Im not alone, Im another of those millions suffering, driver installations alone ruin many experiences for many users because you are forced to consume whatever Microsoft deems to push down windows update and you cant stop them unless you know how.

Another great segment, testified by many posts on these boards and other boards across the internet are about broken windows updates where older poor quality updates prevent newer updates from installing, again many many people suffer from this, not just me or mine.

This of grabbing the iso and reinstalling windows every 6 months is absurd in this day and age, but often (I agree) the only way to get a decent Windows installation.

@NavyLCDR its not ideal to have re-installations every 6 months, and that cant be considered anything but a band-aid on a bigger issue.

Hardly surprising people want to avoid upgrading

And BTW Im agreeing with you, if it wasnt obvious in between my rant My last Windows 7 Install is running perfectly for 6,8 years. My Linux Installs are some 15 years old, and all upgrade just fine and work near flawlessness, as no such thing as bug free exists..

@positronic

I've been using CENTOS 7 for ages --solid and as stable as a rock - works absolutely fine --using it basically for NAS serving - and Networking works straight OOB.

OK not the most "leading Edge " distro but since it's based on Red Hat enterprise server which zillions of companies worldwide use then I've no complaints.

About the only time I re-boot my NAS boxes is if I'm upgrading hardware or if there's a hardware defect. - Kernel updates are fairly rare and these type of systems always use what's known as "Long Term support". They run 24 / 7 --and I don't have to worry about updates shutting down and re-booting the system --you don't want that if it's acting as a SERVER !!!. A simple YUM update command from a console handles minor updates and I can honestly say that I've rarely had a problem with the OS.

Perhaps Windows could learn a bit from this type of approach -- for people who aren't always upgrading hardware regularly Windows should perhaps provide the equivalent of an "LTS (Long Term support) Version".

Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 said:

Perhaps Windows could learn a bit from this type of approach -- for people who aren't always upgrading hardware regularly provide an "LTS (Long Term support) Version".

They do for enterprise. LTSB

Enterprise LTSB is sadly not available to the masses, and even if it was the benefits are purely of not having many stock apps installed, and extra length of support, Still has same bugs unfixed since Windows inception and where it comes to upgrades IMO it suffers the same weaknesses and same issues as any other windows versions I have tried.

You can run but you cant hide

Anywho, Im offtopic for a few posts now, so Ill stop hijacking the thread and apologise to Op.