Windows 10: Update hell & goodbye MS

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  1. Posts : 1,480
    Windows 10 Pro (32-bit) 16299.15
       12 Mar 2017 #11

    Windows Update has pretty much failed on this machine. The only thing I really changed is the Defer Upgrades option was set, but that should have expired by now in any case. You can see it's given up even trying to update now - they don't even fail now.

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    If I click on Check for Updates it whirs away for a long time then fails.

    Edit: 30 mins later here's the error I get:
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    I've tried this tutorial:
    Windows Update - Reset in Windows 10

    And the MS Windows Update Troubleshooter:
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...troubleshooter

    But neither have worked for me. (@DavidA23 they may be worth trying if you haven't already though.)

    In the end I'll Clean Install it as NavyLCDR suggests, but this machine has a lot of software and things like multiple email accounts to configure when I reinstall, so it's going to be time-consuming and has been waiting for me to have a clear weekend with nothing better to do.
    Last edited by DavidY; 12 Mar 2017 at 06:44.
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  2.    12 Mar 2017 #12

    DavidA23 said: View Post
    Been there, done it, several times. Will it prevent future update problems? My experience tells me no.
    I've got a dozen computers at my house with 4 different users. All of the computers here update with no problem. I had a 5th user in my house (who as since passed away) who had the most horrible internet surfing habits imaginable and he managed to break Windows Update but a clean install fixed that computer. It was no wonder his Windows update broke, though, because his Windows was also a "transplant" - a hard drive moved from an older computer to an upgraded computer.

    Windows 10 has been rock solid here. If it breaks, it's because I tinkered with it. Windows 10, especially Windows Update, is less tolerant of user tinkering than previous versions have been. But, Microsoft has to design it to fit the standard user in today's society. Remember the days of setting up the memory settings in DOS, manually de-conflicting IRQ's, and all the manual configuration that had to be done to get Windows NT 4.0 to run? Most of today's modern computer users only wants to push the power button and have everything else happen in the background with no user intervention. Then add to that the users like my father-in-law who used to click on anything shiny and moving that appeared on a webpage...
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  3. Posts : 1,480
    Windows 10 Pro (32-bit) 16299.15
       12 Mar 2017 #13

    I think a contributory factor for my issues is that I have the box ticked to 'Give me updates for other Microsoft Products' which means issues outside of Windows 10 itself can get in the way and (I strongly suspect) snarl things up.
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    Win10 Home and Pro, Win10 Insider Preview, WinXP Home Premium, Linux Mint
       12 Mar 2017 #14

    DavidY said: View Post
    I think a contributory factor for my issues is that I have the box ticked to 'Give me updates for other Microsoft Products' which means issues outside of Windows 10 itself can get in the way and (I strongly suspect) snarl things up.
    I've found that to be true with some of Microsoft's programs, tend to screw things up so I have that 'feature' set to Not automatic.
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  5.    12 Mar 2017 #15

    Berton said: View Post
    And rather than trash the Dell and not wanting Windows you should consider Linux, in addition to Win10 on a few Desktops and Notebooks without serious problems I use Linux Mint 17.3 on a Dell Desktop and Linux Mint 18 on an HP Notebook. Both are comfortable enough within a few minutes. Both versions have the built-in Update Manager or Software Manager to assure good results. Most versions of Linux come with Firefox for the browser and LibreOffice for working with documents, compatible with Microsoft Office and Works formats. All the above is free. And can download an .iso file to create a bootable LiveDVD to test using Linux. DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.

    Hi there

    if you want absolute 100% stability using Linux try CENTOS 7 -- It's not so "Leading Edge" as a lot of the others but it's 100% reliable -- as robust as any OS can be and is the Free version of the widely used Red Hat enterprise system RHEL Enterprise.

    Index of /rolling/7/isos/x86_64

    Download the latest DVD image for your system as an ISO, use RUFUS to create a bootable USB stick and install -- it's SIMPLE !!!!. Just boot the USB device and follow the on screen instructions --you can install to any set of HDD's you like - including external ones - unselected HDD's won't be touched by the install process so easy to Dual boot or whatever to test with.

    The CENTOS OS is used by literally 100,000's of commercial servers around the planet. 100% Free as well. RED HAT make a lot of their money on service contracts - and they support CENTOS 100%.

    Then on that run Windows as a VM and you have the best of BOTH worlds without having to invest in new hardware.

    I'm not getting into a discussion here as to which Linux system to choose - but running Windows as a VM seems to me to be a mega good idea - and Linux Networking usually works FIRST TIME straight OOB. !!!!

    Suffice to say I run TWO Centos servers on "NAS boxes" with Windows VM's and the only time I have to re-boot these is if I'm actually upgrading the hardware or some defective HDD needs replacing (very rarely). Even on some systems (not mine though) you can HOT SWAP defective HDD's on some RAID configurations without a reboot.

    A kernel update also needs (but isn't mandatory) a reboot to use the new kernel - but since CENTOS has long term stability these don't happen very often (although you can if you wish use latest and greatest Software etc by installing it manually).

    Note - one thing if you DO use CENTOS you'll have to install package ntfs-3g to read and write windows NTFS files (FAT32 already taken care of). This package isn't installed by default.

    Whatever Linux you use also download SAMBA for file sharing with Windows.

    Things like VLC and PLEXMEDIASERVER work 100% on Linux too and for OFFICE - forget Libreoffice -- use this one - it's the most compatible office version I've seen for Linux --you'll need though a separate email client.

    Best office run on Linux platform, WPS Office for Linux

    This is brilliant and free - can't understand why so many mention LibreOffice which IMO is a hideous cludge.

    BTW also FREE Windows version for those who don't run / can't afford Ms Office on Windows.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6.    12 Mar 2017 #16

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    if you want absolute 100% stability using Linux try CENTOS 7 -- It's not so "Leading Edge" as a lot of the others but it's 100% reliable -- as robust as any OS can be and is the Free version of the widely used Red Hat enterprise system RHEL Enterprise.

    Index of /rolling/7/isos/x86_64

    Download the latest DVD image for your system as an ISO, use RUFUS to create a bootable USB stick and install -- it's SIMPLE !!!!. Just boot the USB device and follow the on screen instructions --you can install to any set of HDD's you like - including external ones - unselected HDD's won't be touched by the install process so easy to Dual boot or whatever to test with.

    The CENTOS OS is used by literally 100,000's of commercial servers around the planet. 100% Free as well. RED HAT make a lot of their money on service contracts - and they support CENTOS 100%.

    Then on that run Windows as a VM and you have the best of BOTH worlds without having to invest in new hardware.

    I'm not getting into a discussion here as to which Linux system to choose - but running Windows as a VM seems to me to be a mega good idea - and Linux Networking usually works FIRST TIME straight OOB. !!!!

    Suffice to say I run TWO Centos servers on "NAS boxes" with Windows VM's and the only time I have to re-boot these is if I'm actually upgrading the hardware or some defective HDD needs replacing (very rarely). Even on some systems (not mine though) you can HOT SWAP defective HDD's on some RAID configurations without a reboot.

    A kernel update also needs (but isn't mandatory) a reboot to use the new kernel - but since CENTOS has long term stability these don't happen very often (although you can if you wish use latest and greatest Software etc by installing it manually).

    Note - one thing if you DO use CENTOS you'll have to install package ntfs-3g to read and write windows NTFS files (FAT32 already taken care of). This package isn't installed by default.

    Whatever Linux you use also download SAMBA for file sharing with Windows.

    Things like VLC and PLEXMEDIASERVER work 100% on Linux too and for OFFICE - forget Libreoffice -- use this one - it's the most compatible office version I've seen for Linux --you'll need though a separate email client.

    Best office run on Linux platform, WPS Office for Linux

    This is brilliant and free - can't understand why so many mention LibreOffice which IMO is a hideous cludge.

    BTW also FREE Windows version for those who don't run / can't afford Ms Office on Windows.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I'm struggling here to see the advantage. It may be 100% stable but since I will only be using Windows and
    all the software, drivers etc I use are for Windows then what would I be using CENTOS for other than a base. Presumably the VM Windows will still need updates (the nub of the problem) and so CENTOS adds just another layer of complexity. I'll check it out but at the end of the day all I want is an OS that works for the stuff I do - mainly graphics.
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       12 Mar 2017 #17

    DavidA23 said: View Post
    Yes I am frustrated that after 2 years the Windows 10 update problem has yet to be sorted
    My routine is to install updates, then perform a cleanup, ever since I do it, it is a smooth experience.
    I use CCleaner + Wise Disk Cleaner + advanced Disk Cleanup. Download WF.bat and run it as admin.
    Update hell & goodbye MS Attached Files
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  8.    12 Mar 2017 #18

    DavidA23 said: View Post
    I'm struggling here to see the advantage. It may be 100% stable but since I will only be using Windows and
    all the software, drivers etc I use are for Windows then what would I be using CENTOS for other than a base. Presumably the VM Windows will still need updates (the nub of the problem) and so CENTOS adds just another layer of complexity. I'll check it out but at the end of the day all I want is an OS that works for the stuff I do - mainly graphics.
    @DavidA23, wasn't it you that posted:

    DavidA23 said: View Post
    Can anyone here blame me for vowing never, ever, even at the point of a gun, to use a Microsoft OS again? OK, so a Mac will cost significantly more to purchase but considering the work/time/money I have lost with Windows 10 I should have gone the Mac route in the first place.
    So what gives?
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  9.    12 Mar 2017 #19

    DavidA23 said: View Post
    I'm struggling here to see the advantage. It may be 100% stable but since I will only be using Windows and
    all the software, drivers etc I use are for Windows then what would I be using CENTOS for other than a base. Presumably the VM Windows will still need updates (the nub of the problem) and so CENTOS adds just another layer of complexity. I'll check it out but at the end of the day all I want is an OS that works for the stuff I do - mainly graphics.
    Linux isn't the right answer for you. If you want to use Windows software, you really should stay on Windows.
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  10.    12 Mar 2017 #20

    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    @DavidA23, wasn't it you that posted:



    So what gives?
    The others were suggesting possible solutions. Obviously I've invested in Windows software so if the update problem were sorted then I'd carry on with MS. However, since it seems that it's not going to be & since I find it immensely frustrating to waste hours attempting to restart the PC following most updates then who can blame me for hating Windows.
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