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  1.    30 Sep 2016 #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    You got lucky, from what I've seen. I did a clean install of 7 sp1 just to test how Windows update worked, or didn't work. After several reboots and retries, I left mine running on check for updates for 3 days and nada. It would not update, just a continuous checking for updates. It's a known wide spread problem that in most cases requires manual intervention to resolve.
    I have not yet tried any of this on a fresh install, but MANY threads at sevenforums.com and at other fora seem to confirm that these 3 patches will get WU up and running, so that all of the many other, important patches can be installed in minutes, rather than hours or days:

    3125574 (convenience roll-up)
    3020369
    3172605

    Each computer is unique and -- as of a few months ago -- other individual patches (such as 3138612, 3145739 and 3102810) had been mentioned. However, several of those have been superseded, and -- at least for me and many others -- they did not fix the WU issue.

    On an existing Win7 install (not a new one), I think 3125574 can be skipped. 3020369 and 3172605 ought to be sufficient.

    YMMV, of course...

    HTH,

    MM
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  2.    30 Sep 2016 #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steffan View Post
    Out of those 3 patches, one is W7 SP1, which I already have (as it says in the thread title), <snip>
    No, 3125574 is a convenience roll-up for Win7 SP1 systems, it's not SP1.

    MM
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  3.    30 Sep 2016 #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steffan View Post
    Ok, it shows 242 important updates now! Attachment 103768Should I now change to download and install automatically, also a the services, should it be without "delayed"?

    Ok, so I returned the settings to automatically, it's downloading now, we'll see if it all gets installed successfully...
    In services.msc (the "console), Windows Update should be reset to "Automatic (delayed start)".

    In the Windows Update applet, it's up to you, but many advanced users prefer to have some control over their updates.
    So, they configure Windows Update ONLY for IMPORTANT updates and the setting is set to "notify, but let me choose...".

    Other users, who may be less "hands-on" can configure Windows Update for automatic installation or for automatic download. It's your choice.

    As a general rule of thumb when there are a LOT of patches to install, it's best not to try to get them all installed in one batch.
    Starting with IMPORTANT patches only (not RECOMMENDED and not OPTIONAL), one would generally install them in bunches, in this sequence:
    1. Security patches for Windows
    2. Security patches for Office, Silverlight, and other MS programs
    3. Important non-security patches for Windows, Office and other programs
    4. .NET Framework patches last


    If some of the available patches in your list are not "ticked" by default, it could mean that you first need to install one or more prerequisite patches. Anything that is not "ticked" by default is likely NOT the highest priority. You can come back to those later.

    It's best NOT to use the computer for other things while you are installing updates and to have infinite patience...
    Sometimes, it can take a while. But it's best not to interrupt the process. And it's VERY VERY important not to turn off the computer or its power while it's updating....

    TBH, if you install 3125574, it might shorten the process for you, as it includes many of the individual updates in one "rollup".

    Continue the process, rebooting when prompted, until a manual update check says that there are no more available updates...

    HTH,

    MM
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  4.    30 Sep 2016 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    You could try can uninstalling one or both to see if your BSOD goes away. Then set them to hide in Windows update so they don't install again.
    ONe or both what??
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  5.    30 Sep 2016 #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steffan View Post
    ONe or both what??
    Those last two updates you mentioned as being installed separately. If your lucky it was one of those that caused the BSOD.
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  6.    30 Sep 2016 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Those last two updates you mentioned as being installed separately. If your lucky it was one of those that caused the BSOD.
    I have not seen ANY trouble reports with 3020369 or 3172605 at sevenforums or other places.
    I seriously doubt either of those is the issue.

    On a refurbished machine, to some extent, all bets are off.
    But BSOD is usually the result of hardware issues, driver conflicts or (in some cases, rarely) a rootkit.

    I would look elsewhere for the cause of the BSOD. For example, I would be sure that the system has all the current device drivers....
    In "Device Manager", for example, do any of the installed devices have a Yellow Triangle on them?

    OK, aside from the fact that this entire thread probably belongs at sevenforums.com, not here at tenforums, this is morphing into something far more complicated than the usual "how do I get Win 7 to update" problem.

    So, I'll defer to others more facile, especially when it comes to BSOD.
    Troubleshooting that issue will take the discussion down a different pathway, using appropriate tools such as WhoCrashed or BlueScreenView, etc.....

    Cheers!
    MM
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  7.    30 Sep 2016 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoxieMomma View Post
    I have not seen ANY trouble reports with 3020369 or 3172605 at sevenforums or other places.
    I seriously doubt either of those is the issue.

    On a refurbished machine, to some extent, all bets are off.
    But BSOD is usually the result of hardware issues, driver conflicts or (in some cases, rarely) a rootkit.

    I would look elsewhere for the cause of the BSOD. For example, I would be sure that the system has all the current device drivers....
    In "Device Manager", for example, do any of the installed devices have a Yellow Triangle on them?

    OK, aside from the fact that this entire thread probably belongs at sevenforums.com, not here at tenforums, this is morphing into something far more complicated than the usual "how do I get Win 7 to update" problem.

    So, I'll defer to others more facile, especially when it comes to BSOD.
    Troubleshooting that issue will take the discussion down a different pathway, using appropriate tools such as WhoCrashed or BlueScreenView, etc.....

    Cheers!
    MM
    I never claimed that the above mentioned updates are the cause of the problem, however, others might be. I don't know.
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  8.    01 Oct 2016 #28
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    It was just a hunch, a guess, that one of those updates may have caused it. Since, they were the last ones installed, they would be fairly easy to uninstall again as a test, that's all.
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  9.    02 Oct 2016 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoxieMomma View Post
    Hi, @Steffan:

    If you check over at our sister forum, sevenforums.com (and practically every other computer support forum), you'll see that this has been a terrible problem for Win7 users for many months.
    There have been serious issues with the Win7 Windows Update client.

    There are a gazillion threads about it "next door" and a handful of KBs have been suggested, but, FINALLY, TMAVLSS, the 3 patches that seem to fix this for a new Win7 install are:

    3125574
    3020369
    3172605

    So, first, download and save the standalone installers for those 3 KBs.

    Then, if it's "stuck" in perpetual "checking for updates" or "downloading updates" mode, you'll need to disable WU from services.msc (change to manual and then stop the service) and change the WU settings to "never check for updates" in the WU applet and then reboot. (Some users have also found it necessary to disconnect from the internet, but I did not find that to be the case on my 2 Win7 boxes.)

    That should permit those 3 patches to install.
    You'll need to reboot again when done.
    Then, go back to services.msc and change WU back to Automatic (delayed start) and go back to WU settings and change it to "notify but do not install".
    Do a manual update check and see what patches are now available....
    Everything should work OK now.

    Please let us know if this resolves your issue,

    MM
    I've just finished applying this: WSUS client is back, up and running. Thanks!
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  10.    02 Oct 2016 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojorisin View Post
    I've just finished applying this: WSUS client is back, up and running. Thanks!
    Great!
    I'm glad that you were able to resolve your issue!

    Cheers,
    MM
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