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  1.    06 Sep 2016 #1
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    did Microsoft enhance NTFS in anniversary update?


    did Microsoft update or enhance the NTFS file system in the
    anniversary update cause i am having severe permission issues
    cause my puter cant duel boot i boot from a removable HDD's
    my HDD began to run out of space so i got a 6TB hdd and put w8
    on it then upgraded to win 10 pro both HDD's use the same computer
    hardware cpu and mobo and same activation code and same microsoft account
    now some of my hdds i use for storage cant be accessed when i switch the boot hdd
    the same goes for ne folders created and files coppied...one hdd i rename and when
    i switch boot hdds the name on the drive is the same before i renamed it...needles to say i am a bit angry and this just recently started happening...any help appreciated tnx Gene
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  2.    06 Sep 2016 #2
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    Just musing. How old is the computer? I have 2 just old enough that I can't use over 2TB drives, BIOS problems.
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  3.    06 Sep 2016 #3
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    re


    Quote Originally Posted by Berton View Post
    Just musing. How old is the computer? I have 2 just old enough that I can't use over 2TB drives, BIOS problems.

    the mobo is about 3 or 4 years old and I built it my self
    mobo is a 990FX Extreme9, cpu fx8350 4ghz, 32GB ddr3 mem.
    and yes I replaced the battery and re setup the bios
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  4.    07 Sep 2016 #4
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    Windows 10 Home x64 (Laptop), Windows 10 Pro x64 (Desktop)

    Please learn how to use capital letters and full stops!!!
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  5.    07 Sep 2016 #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve C View Post
    Please learn how to use capital letters and full stops!!!
    Please learn not to use multiple exclamation marks as it is not grammatically correct!
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  6.    07 Sep 2016 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightflyer View Post
    did Microsoft update or enhance the NTFS file system in the anniversary update
    Nope, it hasn't changed since version 3.1 released with Windows XP in autumn 2001 (NTFS - Wikipedia)

    Quote Originally Posted by nightflyer View Post
    now some of my hdds i use for storage cant be accessed when i switch the boot hdd
    the same goes for ne folders created and files copied...
    The problem sounds like it is due to the way permissions work in NTFS. The access to a file is based on your Security Identifier (or SID) which is a unique random looking number and not the same as your user name.

    From your description I guess you have 2 different SIDs and so you aren't authorized. What you need to do is right click on the drive(s) you aren't authorized to, go to Properties > Security > Edit and add your user (and probably the administrators group as well).

    See option 2 here :Permissions - Allow or Deny Access to Users and Groups in Windows 8

    You may need to take ownership first in which case see option 4 here Owner of Files and Folders - Change in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums
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  7.    07 Sep 2016 #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    Nope, it hasn't changed since version 3.1 released with Windows XP in autumn 2001 (NTFS - Wikipedia)
    AFAIK this is not entirely accurate, as people dual booting XP and later Windows versions may discover. However, the usual complaint is an issue with backward compatability, which causes XP to run a disk check when it sees a partition that 10 has written to previously. This is not the situation posed by the OP, which you rightly point out is probably a permissions issue.

    Even within NTFS 3.1 there are changes that have minor impact on compataiblity.

    This behavior has been reported on several occasions it is, although undesirable, "by design", because WinXP and Win7 use slightly different structures in their filesystems, and WinXP interprets the Win7 filesystem as "having errors", and the opposite will also occur -- Win7 will see "errors" on the WinXP filesystem.


    https://social.technet.microsoft.com...w7itproinstall
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  8.    07 Sep 2016 #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike s View Post
    Even within NTFS 3.1 there are changes that have minor impact on compataiblity.
    That's interesting. Certainly on my 1607 install fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo C: still shows NTFS version 3,1 (same as XP).

    I guess I shouldn't believe everything on Wikipedia
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  9.    07 Sep 2016 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    That's interesting. Certainly on my 1607 install fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo C: still shows NTFS version 3,1 (same as XP).

    I guess I shouldn't believe everything on Wikipedia
    The only reason I came across this is that I was bitten by this phenomenon and went looking for a reason.

    I was playing with Win8 ToGo on a machine whose installed OS was XP.
    On the next XP boot, it always ran chkdsk. This did not seem to be a NTFS "dirty bit" issue, so I dug a little deeper.
    Unlike, say, a live Linux disk which totally ignores the contents of the internal hard drive unless you explicitly mount it, busybody Windows simply can't leave well enough alone. It insists on doing things by default (like running Windows Defender on every attached drive).
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  10.    07 Sep 2016 #10
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    I have tried adding me and admin and taking ownership this
    problem just recently started. I upgraded from w8 pro not xp,
    I am not actually dual booting, I am using a removable HDD tray
    I am swapping HDD's with the tray but both have windows 10 pro on
    them with the same activation code and the same Microsoft account,
    is there anyway to synchronize the Sid . besides if I delete the partition
    and create a new partition the drive should not show up when I swap the boot drive
    with the old drive name and files and folders on it and it does but some files and
    folders cant be accessed and some can. . this has got me baffled...
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