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  1. Joined : Jul 2014
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       15 Sep 2015 #11

    Your Windows was installed using GPT type and there's no such thing as Active/Inactive with UEFI. With UEFI the boot order is controlled by the "Windows Boot Manager" not by the order of the drives. However, the order of the drives will help booting a little faster when the boot drive is set first.
    As a good practice, I would take slartybart's advice and swap the drive.
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  2. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro
       15 Sep 2015 #12

    rittercon said: View Post
    I used MiniTool Resize/Move function to create a 350MB partition in front of my c: drive (Disk 1). I must have done something wrong cause my laptop wouldn't boot, citing an NTFS error. I restored the disk w/ Acronis and am back to original windows 8.1 setup.

    If I use MiniTool "create" function, the newly created 350MB partition is on the "back" (not front) of Disk 1 and can't be added to the existing 100MB. I will take the time to read the MiniTool manual and let you know how it goes.

    The Disk 0 - Disk 1 mix-up has always bugged me just on principal, so I may go ahead and switch locations, even though it may not be an issue.

    Thanks for everyone's help; I appreciate it.
    Don
    You shouldn't be creating any new partitions with Partition Wizard.

    So, if you want to swap the hard drives, I would do it now and get that working with the Windows 8.1. Once you have that working, you will use Partition Wizard to shrink the existing C: drive system partition by 350mb and putting that 350mb empty space at the beginning of C: drive system partition so it gets between the 100mb system reserved partition and C: drive partition. Then you will expand the 100mb system reserved partition so it consumes the 350mb empty space, making it a 450mb partition. Then try upgrading to Windows 10.

    There is an alternative. You can delete the system reserved partition altogether and use a Macrium Relfect Free Rescue Disk to fix the Windows boot files by creating them on the C: drive partition - if you are really adventurous.
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  3. Joined : Jul 2014
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       16 Sep 2015 #13

    @OP,
    If you open the Admin Command Prompt and run:
    1. diskpart
    2. select disk 0 if you've already swap the disk, else select disk 1
    3. list partition

    You'll will find that you have:
    1GB Recovery partition
    100MB EFI System (FAT32 format)
    128MB MSR partition unformatted and currently not used
    Your C Drive
    10.93 GB Factory Recovery partition.

    The 100MB EFI System is in FAT32 format and contains: BCD, EFI Boot code and language files and take only ~25MB. There is no reason to increase this partition to 450MB.

    What you should increase is the 1GB Recovery partition to say 2GB to be safe. This partition on a normal fresh Windows installation is 450MB. Your Windows 8 was reconfigured by the manufacturer to include extra code and also the recovery agent to point to the 10.93GB partition in case you need recover Windows back to factory. This partition might be full so Windows upgrade cannot create any backup needed to proceed.

    With that said, I suggest:
    1. Make a full backup of your current Windows in case things go wrong so you can restore it.
    2. Open disk management, right click on C and shrink by entering 1024 (1GB)
    3. Use AOMEI Partition Assistant – free disk partition manager software, helps you to resize partitions, merge partitions etc. to resize the recovery partition from 1GB to 2GB
    4. Reboot your PC
    5. Try to upgrade again


    Here's the partition layout of Fresh install Windows RTM & Windows TP 10532 on 2 separate SSD's. Note that the MSR is only 16MB in Windows 10. 128MB in Windows 8
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
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    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       16 Sep 2015 #14

    topgundcp said: View Post
    @OP,
    If you open the Admin Command Prompt and run:
    1. diskpart
    2. select disk 0 if you've already swap the disk, else select disk 1
    3. list partition

    You'll will find that you have:
    1GB Recovery partition
    100MB EFI System (FAT32 format)
    128MB MSR partition unformatted and currently not used
    Your C Drive
    10.93 GB Factory Recovery partition.

    The 100MB EFI System is in FAT32 format and contains: BCD, EFI Boot code and language files and take only ~25MB. There is no reason to increase this partition to 450MB.

    What you should increase is the 1GB Recovery partition to say 2GB to be safe. This partition on a normal fresh Windows installation is 450MB. Your Windows 8 was reconfigured by the manufacturer to include extra code and also the recovery agent to point to the 10.93GB partition in case you need recover Windows back to factory. This partition might be full so Windows upgrade cannot create any backup needed to proceed.

    With that said, I suggest:
    1. Make a full backup of your current Windows in case things go wrong so you can restore it.
    2. Open disk management, right click on C and shrink by entering 1024 (1GB)
    3. Use AOMEI Partition Assistant – free disk partition manager software, helps you to resize partitions, merge partitions etc. to resize the recovery partition from 1GB to 2GB
    4. Reboot your PC
    5. Try to upgrade again
    Thanks Topgun,

    My head wasn't on straight when I suggested swapping the drives. I still think Disk 0 should be connected to the first port, but for the upgrade, do NOT reconnect Disk 1. Wait until after the upgrade is complete to connect the 2nd drive.

    What was I Thinking - that is best practice material to only have the OS disk connected when installing or upgrading!

    I took another look at rittercon's Disk Management in post# 1 and all of the special partitions are 100% free. This doesn't mean that there's nothing on them, it probably means that the space used is so small as to not be reported.

    Before making any other suggestions, I'd need to know what is on those partitions.
    If rittercon assigned drive letters and changed File Explorer view options to include hidden files and system files, then looked at each partition (posting what is listed) - that would be extremely helpful.

    An easy way to grab the file list in File Explorer is to highlight all objects (select all) and use the Home ribbon > copy path feature, then paste the clipboard in a text file.

    I'd also like to see what Diskpart says about the disk schema

    Command prompt (Admin)
    Diskpart
    sel dis 0
    lis par
    *** for each partition X
    sel par X
    det par

    sel dis 1
    lis par
    *** for each partition X
    sel par X
    det par

    exit
    exit

    Please post the output (right click the Command prompt title bar, select edit, pick select all, select edit, pick copy)

    rittercon, below the fold is for discussion only
    do NOT take any action until
    1) You post the output I requested, and
    2) members helping you have a chance to review and comment.



    Here is what I'm thinking
    shrink the 1 GB Recovery part to 450 MB, label = Windows RE Tools
    Move (left) / resize (grow) the ESP (EFI System partition) to 260 MB - advanced 4k drives, label=System

    This will match the recommended MS disk schema
    See: Sample: Configure UEFI/GPT-Based Hard Drive Partitions by Using Windows PE and DiskPart

    1. Windows RE tools partition

    partition primary size=450 (Win8.1=300)
    fs=ntfs label="Windows RE tools"
    id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"

    2. System partition

    partition efi size=260 (std=100)
    ** NOTE: For Advanced Format 4Kn drives, change this value to size = 260 **
    fs=fat32 label="System"

    3. Microsoft Reserved (MSR) partition

    partition msr size=128
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  5. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,894
    Windows 10 Pro
       16 Sep 2015 #15

    Rittercon,

    You can read the lengthy posts and procedures that topgundcp and slartybart have made, but keep in mind one thing:
    Solved Windows 10 couldn't update system reserved partition - Windows 10 Forums

    A three post thread. Problem. Three sentence solution. Problem solved.
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  6. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 14
    Windows 8.1 64-bit
       16 Sep 2015 #16

    3rd update


    Decided to swap SSD positions as suggested by Slartybart; mainly because I'm anal and don't like things out of order. My laptop has 3 slots for HDDs; one for m-sata (empty) and two for sata (full). Started the laptop, but it wouldn't boot (as the Lieutenant Commander said it wouldn't). Entered BIOS (UEFI) and manually set the correct SSD (c drive) to boot first. Interestingly, BIOS displayed the m-sata as HDD 1, the data disk (e drive) as HDD 2, and the boot drive (c drive) as HDD 3.

    Anyway- the laptop booted into windows just fine. Disk Management shows the two SSD's as GPT partitions, as everyone suspected. Disk Management now shows my primary drive as drive 0 and my data drive as drive 1.

    Diskpart reveals pretty much everything that Topgun said it would:
    1GB Recovery partition (hidden)
    100MB EFI System (FAT32 format) (system)
    128MB Reserved (hidden)
    My C Drive (boot)
    10 GB Recovery partition (hidden)

    Will continue reading the other posts and follow-up w/ more.

    Thanks!
    Last edited by rittercon; 16 Sep 2015 at 11:23. Reason: corrected errors
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  7. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 14
    Windows 8.1 64-bit
       16 Sep 2015 #17

    Diskpart details


    In response to Slartybart's request:

    Microsoft Windows [Version 6.3.9600]
    (c) 2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    C:\Windows\system32>diskpart
    Microsoft DiskPart version 6.3.9600
    Copyright (C) 1999-2013 Microsoft Corporation.
    On computer: TOSHIBA-LAPTOP

    DISKPART> select disk 0
    Disk 0 is now the selected disk.
    DISKPART> list partition

    Partition ### Type Size Offset
    ------------- ---------------- ------- -------
    Partition 1 Recovery 1024 MB 1024 KB
    Partition 2 System 100 MB 1025 MB
    Partition 3 Reserved 128 MB 1125 MB
    Partition 4 Primary 226 GB 1253 MB
    Partition 5 Recovery 10 GB 227 GB


    DISKPART> select partition 1
    Partition 1 is now the selected partition.
    DISKPART> detail partition

    Partition 1
    Type : de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
    Hidden : Yes
    Required: Yes
    Attrib : 0X8000000000000001
    Offset in Bytes: 1048576

    Volume ### Ltr Label Fs Type Size Status Info
    ---------- --- ----------- ----- ---------- ------- --------- --------
    * Volume 2 System NTFS Partition 1024 MB Healthy Hidden


    DISKPART> select partition 2
    Partition 2 is now the selected partition.
    DISKPART> detail partition

    Partition 2
    Type : c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b
    Hidden : Yes
    Required: No
    Attrib : 0X8000000000000000
    Offset in Bytes: 1074790400

    Volume ### Ltr Label Fs Type Size Status Info
    ---------- --- ----------- ----- ---------- ------- --------- --------
    * Volume 3 FAT32 Partition 100 MB Healthy System


    DISKPART> select partition 3
    Partition 3 is now the selected partition.
    DISKPART> detail partition

    Partition 3
    Type : e3c9e316-0b5c-4db8-817d-f92df00215ae
    Hidden : Yes
    Required: No
    Attrib : 0X8000000000000000
    Offset in Bytes: 1179648000

    There is no volume associated with this partition.


    DISKPART> select partition 4
    Partition 4 is now the selected partition.
    DISKPART> detail partition

    Partition 4
    Type : ebd0a0a2-b9e5-4433-87c0-68b6b72699c7
    Hidden : No
    Required: No
    Attrib : 0000000000000000
    Offset in Bytes: 1313865728

    Volume ### Ltr Label Fs Type Size Status Info
    ---------- --- ----------- ----- ---------- ------- --------- --------
    * Volume 1 C TI10685500A NTFS Partition 226 GB Healthy Boot


    DISKPART> select partition 5

    Partition 5 is now the selected partition.
    DISKPART> detail partition

    Partition 5
    Type : de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
    Hidden : Yes
    Required: Yes
    Attrib : 0X8000000000000001
    Offset in Bytes: 244321353728

    Volume ### Ltr Label Fs Type Size Status Info
    ---------- --- ----------- ----- ---------- ------- --------- --------
    * Volume 4 Recovery NTFS Partition 10 GB Healthy Hidden

    DISKPART>
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  8. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,894
    Windows 10 Pro
       16 Sep 2015 #18

    In your post #17, this partition:
    100MB EFI System (FAT32 format) (system)

    is the one that needs to be increased in size to 350mb. That's the one that Windows 10 isn't liking because it is too small.
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  9. Joined : Jul 2014
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       16 Sep 2015 #19

    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    Rittercon,

    You can read the lengthy posts and procedures that topgundcp and slartybart have made, but keep in mind one thing:
    Solved Windows 10 couldn't update system reserved partition - Windows 10 Forums

    A three post thread. Problem. Three sentence solution. Problem solved.
    Yeah. Read this post and you keep refering back to MBR style installation and it worked. Keep in mind, OP is using GPT style installation
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  10. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro
       16 Sep 2015 #20

    topgundcp said: View Post
    Yeah. Read this post and you keep refering back to MBR style installation and it worked. Keep in mind, OP is using GPT style installation
    And it's still the same problem and same solution.

    And there is an alternative solution. Delete the 100mb EFI system partition and use a boot loader fix method to create the boot files on C: drive.
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