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  1.    06 Oct 2015 #41
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Win 10 Pro 64 bit

    The laptop I was referring to was old - as in "made for XP". So 7 was probably a bit of a stretch for it - and I am the one who put 7 on it last year. I actually got 10 on it, and the little "Win10 Ready" upgrade icon would show up after 7 was on it, but it was very unstable and would blue screen shortly after the desktop came up. I got tired of fooling with it. I think I tried the install probably 5 or 6 times (an hour for each install attempt) and for charity work, I simply ran out of patience, particularly since all he does with it is check email and play solitaire on retirement bus trips.
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  2.    06 Oct 2015 #42
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc

    That's because it couldn't run with 7 drivers that were likely made available that model but simply too old and too problematic since it wouldn't have seen any 10 support coming out for it! This is the thing that too many people simply do not realize is that companies rush to drop support for any model after so long unless it's a best seller type when the next version of Windows comes along!

    They drop the older models like hot potatoes while you the user end up baffled at how come the next version won't run. Solution? Run 10 on a VM! No driver headaches and no BSOD specials waiting for your friend! You will likely to see that be a 32bit 10 VM however unless that has the 64bit 7 with at least 4gb of memory onboard.
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  3.    06 Oct 2015 #43
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Win 10 Pro 64 bit

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    That's because it couldn't run with 7 drivers that were likely made available that model but simply too old and too problematic since it wouldn't have seen any 10 support coming out for it! This is the thing that too many people simply do not realize is that companies rush to drop support for any model after so long unless it's a best seller type when the next version of Windows comes along!

    They drop the older models like hot potatoes while you the user end up baffled at how come the next version won't run. Solution? Run 10 on a VM! No driver headaches and no BSOD specials waiting for your friend! You will likely to see that be a 32bit 10 VM however unless that has the 64bit 7 with at least 4gb of memory onboard.
    I know it was 64bit with an anemic AMD dual core and 2GB of RAM, which astounded me that 7 would run on it, and that 10 would give it the green light for the upgrade. Add to it the slush box HDD and it was painfully slow.

    Planned obsolescence makes the world go round, right?
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  4.    06 Oct 2015 #44
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc

    The 64bit 7 will go on when only 1gb of memory is installed depending on the hardware environment however. Even 10 can run idle at just under 1gb of ram taken while the hardwares on a machine like mine or even a more hefty gaming system or work horse build will then see that climb. Mine sits at 1.5gb when idle.

    What came in with 7 has been worked on further since as far as the WinMin kernel using less memory per process then previously seen. If you want to go back and compare hardware requirements for each version 3.1 with 16-32mb max, 95 climbed to 250+ while 98 was downed on anything over 500mb just making the grace period with 512mb in! Couldn't tell you right off about 2000 or ME while XP saw the 3.120gb for the 32bit while Vista and 7 both saw 3.571gb approx. on the builds here.

    When first getting into Vista people couldn't figure out why I would say don't bother trying to mix a 512 in with a pair of 1gb if not a single 2gb dimm but go for the matched pair of 2gb back then. The typical argument was that 500mb wasn't going to be available while the matching of equal size by the same manufacturer was still going to see the best results even if some of it was mapped out. The upgrade from 2gb to 4gb also will be noticed immediately on the 64bit while bumping upwards to 8gb even 16gb never made any noise on the 64bit 7 as far as any great performance boosts!

    7 was far from any "memory hog" being one of the labels Vista got back then while that was another MS goof ball floated there for intentionally understating the actual best minimum of 2gb so they could please the OEMs to sell their stuff only seeing 512mb or a pair of 512s installed. You got to look at a fancy new desktop but couldn't run much of anything on it without first buying the extra memory back then!
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  5.    06 Oct 2015 #45
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    Win 10 Pro 64 bit

    I still have a lot of that old hardware in the graveyard in my back garage including a good amount of old memory. Can't give it away. I really need to purge it. Getting ready for my system upgrade but still kicking around what direction to go.
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  6.    06 Oct 2015 #46
    Join Date : Apr 2014
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    I still have old I mean ""OLD" ide boat anchor 4 device ribbon cables lingering around here somewhere(probably like steel straps due to age) as well as one or two floppy drives! In fact when running a few VM projects when 7 was new I had tossed a floppy drive since the old Legacy versions required the floppy media while still trying to get a bootable floppy type media images going.

    One 3.1 was a real joy trying to get the number #1 floppy to work after all these years! I originally bought the six 1.44mb floppy disk set after first getting into an old IBM 386 museum piece for sure even back then!

    I had to fit the 3.5" floppy drive into a 5 1/4" drive bay adapter since the small drive on the used system was wiped clean actually zeroed out quite well by the pro who was running a custom system building business back then. And later the same adapter at least was used on the Vista to become 7 beta and RC build. Later the power supply took the board along with it when that case went doa on me. I swapped brands for both board and supply for the present build which then saw everything moved from the first case to a newer version by the same brand afterwards and now sees 10 running on it!

    I remember one time someone couldn't figure out why I would swap out a brand new dvd burner for another new drive after I explained the older model drive had a longer casing that pushed up against the board! The newer model had a short casing instead like most do now anyways. The older drives were about 1.25 to 1.5" longer reaching the newer atx boards being seen at the time.
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  7.    07 Oct 2015 #47
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    NYC
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    Windows 10 Pro x64

    I just now went through the MB change adventure, as my previous one got fried by the PS. As I understand it after talking to MS Support when the new MB did not activate, when you upgrade the equivalent of the key is based on the current MB. Change that, even for same MB model, and you're no longer activated. So what I ended up doing which worked great is:

    1. Made an image of my current Win 10 system drive (I have a 2-SSD raid 0), which wouldn't activate but Win 10 was fully functional.
    2. Restored my last Win 8.1 image and let it activate the new MB (it activated after the second reboot).
    3. Did a base upgrade of the old 8.1 to Win 10 with the media-tool-created ISO.
    4. When the upgrade was finished and Win 10 was activated, I restored my current Win 10 image.
    5. My up-to-date Win 10 image was then activated.

    Life is good again.
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  8.    07 Oct 2015 #48
    Join Date : Apr 2014
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    The MS servers recorded the new activation which allowed the restored image to activate itself automatically. You had to see 8.1 activated to the new board regardless of whether it was an image or clean install. You more or less "lucked out" seeing the 8.1 image activate itself there however knowing 7 wouldn't have without calling in to MS! Had to when getting this build together and swapping the first set of memory out since the dimms stood up higher bumping the oversized heat sink pushing up on one side and removing the Mushkin Enhanced for the Kingston Hyper X at the time.

    Yet when having keep two of the four original dimms for the second mini tower running 7 there I swapped the Mushkin out of that case for Kingston Fury upping it from 4 to 8gb at the same time and within a day both the 10 install that also became deactivated as well as not seeing 7 deactivate was a relief. Ironically the first 500gb drive was one of the three that came out of the old Vista to 7 build where I had removed a 500gb out of the WD Passport external case and saw installed internally running with both flavors of the 7 beta and RC builds until the launch and awaiting SP1 when the board went with the supply simultaneously which seems to be a flaky supply with a weak cap on the board being a bad mix.
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  9.    07 Oct 2015 #49
    Join Date : Feb 2015
    Left coast but not a progressive liberal
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    dual boot W10 10586th2/14291 rs1 Win. Insider since Jan. 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    I still have old I mean ""OLD" ide boat anchor 4 device ribbon cables lingering around here somewhere(probably like steel straps due to age) as well as one or two floppy drives! In fact when running a few VM projects when 7 was new I had tossed a floppy drive since the old Legacy versions required the floppy media while still trying to get a bootable floppy type media images going.



    One 3.1 was a real joy trying to get the number #1 floppy to work after all these years! I originally bought the six 1.44mb floppy disk set after first getting into an old IBM 386 museum piece for sure even back then!

    I had to fit the 3.5" floppy drive into a 5 1/4" drive bay adapter since the small drive on the used system was wiped clean actually zeroed out quite well by the pro who was running a custom system building business back then. And later the same adapter at least was used on the Vista to become 7 beta and RC build. Later the power supply took the board along with it when that case went doa on me. I swapped brands for both board and supply for the present build which then saw everything moved from the first case to a newer version by the same brand afterwards and now sees 10 running on it!

    I remember one time someone couldn't figure out why I would swap out a brand new dvd burner for another new drive after I explained the older model drive had a longer casing that pushed up against the board! The newer model had a short casing instead like most do now anyways. The older drives were about 1.25 to 1.5" longer reaching the newer atx boards being seen at the time.
    My first home box in the very early 90's was an 386 SX AT clone with a math co processer on DOS and Windows 3/3.1 with a huge 2 MB or maybe 2 - 1MB simm cards for ram and EGA graphics a 14" NEC color CRT monitor and a 9600 Baud Modem .
    I put another 2 MB ram in it and VGA video bigger hdd and an 14.4 modem it was still slow but better . The 486 DX 100 later was much better.

    I dont miss the old boards,drivers ,patches ,IDE hdd's ,dip switches .IRQ conflicts and the old ISA ,IDE and other older hardware ,floppies or dial up modems or modem strings , or the old socket 7 and super 7 boards ,K6 /K62 /K6 + Overclocked Celron 300A's ,AGP GPU's AND 9X windows etc etc .

    I used to be a serial upgrader ☻☻ I have a k10 Phenom II x4 ,Core Duo and 1 SB i7 configiuration and an SB i7 Elitebook here now and the old boat anchor P4 XP box out in the storage shed that actually ran XP reasonably well with 4GB ram .

    The younsters dont know how easy they have it now with plug and play,broadband x TB hdds and windows NT OS like win 10 or the others . ofc Windows 10 updating HDWE drivers out of hand wouldent be missed
    Last edited by blutos cousin; 07 Oct 2015 at 03:37.
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  10.    07 Oct 2015 #50
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    NYC
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    Windows 10 Pro x64

    Hey, my first "home PC" had relays, switches and light bulbs. And I can't say I miss loading OS-2 from 28 floppies and having the 25th one crap out. I like my Win 10 water cooled workstation much better .
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