Update Screwup


  1. RKR
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    Update Screwup


    So, I generally avoid updating as much as possible, but long ago Windows decided to be like Apple and force updates.

    Last night, worked on a lab for school until about four in the morning; when I came downstairs, updates had reset my computer for me. I lost at least several hours of work despite multiple saves (I have a habit of ctrl-Sing very often), and it doesn't have the autosave version in my AppData folder either. The Excel file with data is updated, but for some reason deleted all the graphs that were in it. A few minor cells were different than the last save, and those are weird issues because stuff I did after fixing those was still in the file.

    It's Windows 10 Home, v22H2.
    OS build 19045.2846

    Anyone have any ideas on where I can recover the Word file, if at all? Or any way to prevent Windows from forcing updates?
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  2. Posts : 42,870
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, as it's Home you don't have a couple of useful Group Policy options available.

    You can
    - control update-related restarts (see the huge searchable Tutorials section)
    - delay updates
    - block upgrades
    - block WU altogether and use a 3rd party tool instead

    And of course there's 'Active Hours' - built in to Windows.

    Change Deadline before Auto-restart for Update in Windows 10
    Turn On or Off Windows Update Restart Notifications in Windows 10
    Configure Auto-restart Warning Notifications for Updates in Windows 10
    Configure Auto-restart Reminder Notification for Updates in Windows 10
    Schedule Restart Time for Windows Update in Windows 10

    Pause Updates or Resume Updates for Windows Update in Windows 10

    Change Active Hours for Windows Update in Windows 10
    Specify Max Active Hours Range for Auto-restarts in Windows 10

    The control of and disabling of Windows Updates and the use of 3rd party tools has been discussed many many times on tenforums- feel free to search for threads.

    Tools like WUmgr (Windows Update Manager) - free.

    What I agree with is that out of the box, Windows will, sadly, as per its definition, appy updates and potentially restart without warning.

    What I disagree with is the concept of normal updates, as per the product you bought, being forced.

    Forced updating is better used where you have taken appropriate measures and still and update is applied. E.g. Upgrades to Win 11 are supposed to be opt-in - but some report them happening regardless,
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  3. RKR
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       #3

    Ok, I'll have to try some of those, for sure. I have done some of that, but every time Windows finally does force an update through, they change a LOT of setting back to default. Stupid annoying.

    So, another really weird thing I just noticed in my Excel file - EVERY SINGLE formula has been converted to just the resultant value, the formula is completely deleted. As if the entire file was copied and the paste-values function was used. What is Windows thinking?

    Do I need to start making sure I exit every open file every time I leave my computer alone for more than five minutes, whether it's saved or not?
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  4. Posts : 42,870
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #4

    And thank you for your reply.



    If you take appropriate measures, you shouldn't have to.

    Most Office software has auto-save features so it should not be possible to lose hours of work unless that's not working or has been disabled.

    What is Windows thinking?
    - that's a Office question, not Windows.
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  5. Posts : 16,892
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #5

    RKR said:
    ... it doesn't have the autosave version in my AppData folder either.
    For MSOffice applications, the AutoSave folder path is stated in
    Excel/Word/whatever, File menu, Options, Save tab, AutoRecover file locations.


    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  6. Posts : 16,892
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #6

    RKR said:
    So, another really weird thing I just noticed in my Excel file - EVERY SINGLE formula has been converted to just the resultant value, the formula is completely deleted. As if the entire file was copied and the paste-values function was used.
    I have also seen that happen.
    I think it when I was on WinXP, Office 2007.
    I have not seen it for at least a decade.
    I had to restore a backup & repeat my work using those resultant values as a guide.

    I have a vague recollection that I later discovered that the problem had merely been a particular view setting I had applied unknowingly and that the formulas were still in the spreadsheet.
    I cannot find any notes about the incident. Sorry.
    I cannot find any relevant results during online searching either.


    All the best,
    Denis
      My Computer


  7. RKR
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    Most Office software has auto-save features so it should not be possible to lose hours of work unless that's not working or has been disabled.
    ---
    For MSOffice applications, the AutoSave folder path is stated in
    Excel/Word/whatever, File menu, Options, Save tab, AutoRecover file locations.
    So my autosave option in the title bar is off, but that only wants to go to onedrive.

    Checking my settings, it is set to autosave, and the location listed there is different than what a websearch showed. Search said user/appdata/local/ temp -OR- office/word. But, checking settings, it's user/appdata/roaming/microsoft/word.

    That folder currently only has:
    - my current re-doing version of the file
    - the old file I restarted from, but missing the several hours of work last night
    - an empty startup folder
    - some old Doc1 from back in March

    It does not have, obviously, the missing stuff, nor any data for several other files I have recently opened (but didn't lose anything). I did have another word file open during this, but it was last saved/edited a couple days ago, and looks fine.

    I have a vague recollection that I later discovered that the problem had merely been a particular view setting I had applied unknowingly and that the formulas were still in the spreadsheet.
    Try, I don't think that's it, as I can still type formulas in, and they work/stay as a formula. It's only the older stuff that converted. And, all the plots/charts I made are gone too. Luckily all I really need from it to redo the word file is the values, and remaking a couple charts isn't too bad, but it's still an odd issue I've never seen before.
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  8. Posts : 42,870
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #8

    So my autosave option in the title bar is off, but that only wants to go to onedrive.
    - what came before the 'So'? - i.e. the reason - what led to it being off... or do you not know?

    Onedrive- best removed. But if you do- as I've said before, be very careful how you do that.

    If files have been synched and backed up by Onedrive and they are not on your PC, then you may find them via your on-line Onedrive account.
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  9. RKR
    Posts : 4
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    Thread Starter
       #9

    - what came before the 'So'? - i.e. the reason - what led to it being off... or do you not know?
    Nothing before. Pretty sure it's off because I don't have a onedrive linked, and that toggle switch is only for onedrive saving, it has nothing to do with local autosave functions.
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