Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"

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  1. Posts : 149
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver. 21H2 Build 19044.1586
       #1

    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"


    I'm really happy that Microsoft Windows 10 is not an aircraft because I could never take off as there is always something that wouldn't work. It's probably them who developed the 737 Max MCAS flight control system....

    If it's not this, it's something else.
    Persistence since the preceding version 1909 I cannot update drivers.
    Back in 2019 in the PC settings control panel under "updates" under the top link, "view configured update policies" One policy shows persistently: "Exclude drivers from Windows quality updates" the same with the latest version and updates.
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-update-policies-configured.jpg
    I tried all the settings here as well as the how to info on other sites such as superuser, but nothing works.
    The problem is persistent the same.

    The same applies when I go do devices and printers and right-click on my computer (main PC) and select "device installation settings" the next window, "device installation settings." Both choices are grayed out as well as the "save changes" button.
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-device-installation-settings-dialog-grayed-out.jpg

    Thank you effing very much. Where is this damn setting? Why can't M$ give a hint/link, DUH!
    The same applies to any attempt to Enable or Disable Installation of Removable Devices in Windows.

    This leaves me with it with my RealTek USB3 card reader unable to read Sony memory sticks as I need to find that updated driver (which is another adventure)

    I went through the GP editor, but to no avail. I checked all possible registry settings and they apparently are all right (not configured) playing around with them and changing to either enable or disable and rebooting seems to make no change.

    Anyone know where that bug is?

    Argh!

    Windozer 10 64 bit
    Version: 2004
    OS Build: 19041.329
    Windows Feature Experience Pack: 120.2202.130.0 (don't know where that comes from)
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  2. Posts : 34,934
    Win 10 Pro (1903) (2nd PC is 21H2)
       #2

    Hi, First see if this tutorial points you to the group policy:

    Enable or Disable Driver Updates in Windows Update in Windows 10

    Then considering finding group policy settings, Policy plus (free) is a little easier to use than the group policy editor, especially when you want to use the filter (available in both) to find configured policies.

    Download Policy Plus - MajorGeeks

    Approach 1: review only configured policies
    Set up a filter like this:
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-1.png

    and only configured policies will be shown
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-2.png


    Approach 2: search
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-3.png

    Presumably the search respects the filter, thus you can search only configured policies.
    Last edited by dalchina; 22 Jun 2020 at 00:33.
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  3. Posts : 149
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver. 21H2 Build 19044.1586
    Thread Starter
       #3

    dalchina said:
    Hi, First see if this tutorial points you to the group policy:

    Enable or Disable Driver Updates in Windows Update in Windows 10

    Then considering finding group policy settings, Policy plus (free) is a little easier to use than the group policy editor, especially when you want to use the filter (available in both) to find configured policies.

    Download Policy Plus - MajorGeeks

    Approach 1: review only configured policies
    Set up a filter like this:
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-1.png

    and only configured policies will be shown
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-2.png


    Approach 2: search
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-3.png

    Presumably the search respects the filter, thus you can search only configured policies.

    I note you have chosen to join the Insider program- thus you will be exposed to bugs and unexpected situations, yet it seems you are frustrated by that. In fact you are a test pilot..
    Thanks for the info! Will check out that TP management tool.
    Thanks for the link "Enable or Disable Driver Updates in Windows Update in Windows" but I been through all the steps prior to posting here.
    The insider program stuff, that's another thing, I never joined it!. As I write these lines and double check and it says under Windows insider program in red "diagnostic data must be set to full to get preview builds."
    So it shouldn't be running neither have I ever enable it, at least not consciously, knowingly and willingly.

    So, "Flaps 15° full throttle rich, V1 rotate V2, positive climb.... Shouldn't crash before getting airborne, right? We'll see. Will keep you posted!
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  4. Posts : 34,934
    Win 10 Pro (1903) (2nd PC is 21H2)
       #4

    Sorry- realise I misread the Insider text- it's just there as an example...
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  5. Posts : 149
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver. 21H2 Build 19044.1586
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Endless saga


    So I spent most of Sunday trying to find out what's going on....
    Classic S.N.A.F.U.

    3 systems, desktop, laptop and a virtual machine [clean install].
    All same OS Win10.2004 OS Build 19041.329 with all updates to date.

    All are set and/or identical settings in GP Groups & Reg and all is fine, problem solved. Almost.

    All is well on Laptop & virtual machine Control Panel, in Devices and Printers, > right click on the computer icon, and select "Device Installation Settings".
    Not so on the desktop. I can't get it to work.
    I cannot select "Yes, do this automatically", because it is unavailable and grayed out, permanently on "No"
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-device-installation-settings-dialog-grayed-out.jpg
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  6. Posts : 34,934
    Win 10 Pro (1903) (2nd PC is 21H2)
       #6

    That still looks like there's a policy in force, or one established by creating a registry setting equivalent to one.

    I've assumed you have Pro as you referred to the group policy editor. Please confirm that, and you have Pro rather than Home with the group policy editor added on.

    If Pro, this may help:
    Reset Local Group Policy Editor Settings to Default in Windows 10
    but note the limitations:

    This tutorial will show you how to quickly reset all Local Group Policy Editor settings back to the default "Not configured" state in Windows 10.
    You must be signed in as an administrator to be able to reset all Local Group Policy Editor settings.
    This will only apply to reset Group Policy objects set in the Local Group Policy Editor, and not objects set manually in Registry Editor instead.

    If you have already examined the settings as I suggested and there are no configured policies, unfortunately this won't help.

    I have 1903- we need someone with 2004 to comment.
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  7. Posts : 149
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver. 21H2 Build 19044.1586
    Thread Starter
       #7

    All 3 systems are:
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-os-build.jpg

    Only the desktop (oldest) has the issue.
    Note: "Install Date" refers to last update(s)
    Problem was first noticed last year prior to 10 1909 November update.
    Update did not resolve the issue.
    Set all GP's to defaults to no avail.
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  8. Posts : 34,934
    Win 10 Pro (1903) (2nd PC is 21H2)
       #8

    I've just had confirmation from someone with 2004 that all is well for them with that- i.e. not a hard 2004 bug.

    "My usual trick is to find the related Group policy setting, enable it then disable which usually reset such gremlins."

    - which leaves you about where you are..

    and noted you say
    Problem was first noticed last year prior to 10 1909 November update.
    What do you see there if you create a new user for test purposes, log in as that user and try that dialogue?

    Initially you reported 3 policies set. Have any been cleared?

    Try this one:
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-1.png

    If it's set, clear it, if it's clear, set it, restart, then clear it.
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  9. Posts : 149
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver. 21H2 Build 19044.1586
    Thread Starter
       #9

    Thanks for the tip about Policy Plus App.
    It helps although the app needs further development as it has some shortcomings making it, in part, cumbersome.

    So I finally managed to disable the function "Exclude driver update..." and get rid of it
    I discovered that all the mostly useless advice you find across the Internet contributes to creating the havoc as Windows 10 apparently has a serious design flaw. The 2 mainstream suggestions or either via group policy editor or via registry entries.
    The floor is that neither and vice versa. Update the other.
    In other words, you change something in the registry. The group policy editor will still show "disabled".

    The remaining problem I have now is that "device installation settings" is still grayed out and disabled permanently on "no".
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-device-installation-settings-dialog-grayed-out.jpg

    This results there any device I add the system refuses so my new card reader is at the moment equal to a brick when it comes to functionality. But which entry setting is causing this is as mysterious as the Oak Island treasure. All Microsoft would have needed to do is provide some basic link or information on the dialogue window itself, but no, Microsoft is so detached from everything. It's just another waste of time reading any other irrelevant support reply from some "Vishnu Pramarata" or the like.

    All the settings in the group editor or on default "not configured" with one exception. "Allow administrators to override device installation restriction policies" which is set to "enabled". However, it seems to have no effect if set to "not configured" or "enabled".
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-policy-plus-device-installation.png
    Persistent refusal to disable "exclude driver update"-policy-plus-device-installation-settings.png
    A search on the Internet regarding this issue is as fruitless and overloaded with irrelevant information blah blah.

    It looks like all there's left for me is to run in parallel the group editor of a machine that's working and this one. Hopefully finding the setting difference.
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  10. Posts : 34,934
    Win 10 Pro (1903) (2nd PC is 21H2)
       #10

    All the settings in the group editor or on default "not configured" with one exception. "Allow administrators to override device installation restriction policies" which is set to "enabled". However, it seems to have no effect if set to "not configured" or "enabled".
    - set 'Not configured' on mine.

    Note that the tutorial here on resetting policies to default applies only to Pro and to policies applied via the group policy editor- not directly via the registry (which I find odd).

    Have you ever used a privacy tool such as O&O Shutup or similar?


    *** a quick search found what is likely to be a solution:
    Turn On or Off Device Driver Automatic Installation in Windows 10
    from post #15 on.
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