reactivating windows 10 on new hardware, without "proper" product key

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  1. Porthos's Avatar
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    I *DO* have an unlimited license for win-7 pro, 32 bit
    No such thing legally exists.
    All OS licenses are for one computer at a time if it is a retail key.
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  2. PeterPan2000's Avatar
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       #42

    Bree said:
    I don't think the OP has confirmed yet that it's the Dell in their specs. If it is, then entering its service tag at https://www.dell.com/support/home will tell the OP in the 'view system configuration' section exactly what OS it was supplied with.
    Its a Dell T5400, dual quad core intel CPUs, bought from the Amazon retailer with Windows-10 pro, 64 bit. It has nothing to do with what was originally installed on the machine to whoever the first owner was. I've entered my device tag number at DELL. Some old Windows XP SP2 install was recorded there, under some kind of VISTA license, and the windows tag on the machine mentions VISTA, but again i think this is all old and no longer relevent news.

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    Porthos said:
    No such thing legally exists.
    All OS licenses are for one computer at a time if it is a retail key.
    You're wrong, so i won't argue. My company installed substation automation systems for electric utility substations, and we had unlimited license disks for both windows XP, and then Windows 7, and part of our MSDN agreement, which I assure you was 100% legal and paid for.
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  3. Porthos's Avatar
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       #43

    part of our MSDN agreement, which I assure you was 100% legal and paid for.
    That is different but... If you are not a part of that company anymore you are not authorized to use them. And they were not completely unlimited. They had limits and other rules of use.
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  4. PeterPan2000's Avatar
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       #44

    Porthos said:
    @PeterPan2000
    Easy to find out.
    Please download Farbar Recovery Scan Tool and save it to your desktop.
    Note: You need to run the version compatible with your system.
    You can check here if you're not sure if your computer is 32-bit or 64-bit

    • Double-click to run it. When the tool opens click Yes to disclaimer.
    • Press the Scan button.
    • It will make a log (FRST.txt) in the same directory the tool is run. Please attach it to your reply.
    • The first time the tool is run, it also makes another log (Addition.txt). Please attach it to your reply as well.
    OK, you asked for it. The files produced are huge, and have entries for every piece of software I've ported over. I know all about the items my security/virus detection didn't like. They are all tried and true items. But if you can pick out any system components that aren't as they should be, that would be good to know, especially anything added prior to about January 20, which is around the time I received the machine, and probably would be things the seller did.

    (trying to add the attachements here... not sure it its working)

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    Porthos said:
    That is different but... If you are not a part of that company anymore you are not authorized to use them. And they were not completely unlimited. They had limits and other rules of use.
    I understand that. And I am authorized by the company to use them as part of an ongoing contract. I just don't want to go that VERY LONG route.
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  5. Porthos's Avatar
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       #45

    I do not see the usual hacks for Windows activation.

    It is your computer so you can carry on any way you wish.
    If it were mine or one of my managed client computers it would get done correctly with proper licensing no matter the time/cost involved. But it's not.
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  6. PeterPan2000's Avatar
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       #46

    Porthos said:
    I do not see the usual hacks for Windows activation.

    It is your computer so you can carry on any way you wish.
    If it were mine or one of my managed client computers it would get done correctly with proper licensing no matter the time/cost involved. But it's not.
    Well thank you. I do appreciate you taking the time. I'm concerned about it enough to want to get a proper license, but a retail Win-10 pro license would actually cost more than I paid for the machine. There seem to be a lot of sellers on ebay offering cheap OEM installs with clean license keys, but its very confusing since I'm reading elsewhere that Microsoft isn't even using product keys anymore, and that its built into the hardware? How is that possible? Hidden in bios CMOS memory maybe? How can you buy a new license key if Microsoft doesn't use these keys anymore?

    The weirdest thing is my observation I mentioned, when I run slmgr /xpr in a command shell. I was super concerned yesterday when I did this, and it said "Volume Activation will expire 8/3/2020" For most people this command reports that it will never expire. But when i ran it again a day later, it reports the expire date has moved up a day, to 8/4/2020. So is there some kind of hack that "bumps" the expire date every time you restart? I don't know. I just don't want to wake someday and try to pay my bills online or use email, only to find my system has been deactivated.
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  7. SIW2's Avatar
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    The idea is to install win7 on a separate partition. Then upgrade it to win 10 to get the digital license for that machine.

    It can be done if the machine has 7oem slic table.

    If it doesn't have the correct slic, it can be done with valid ( non slp) win 7 installation media and key, or with win8 or win8.1 media and key.

    I am not sure if you need perc drivers for that machine. You could use dism++ on your existing win10 installation to see what 3rd party drivers are installed.
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  8. Porthos's Avatar
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       #48

    but its very confusing since I'm reading elsewhere that Microsoft isn't even using product keys anymore, and that its built into the hardware? How is that possible? Hidden in bios CMOS memory maybe?
    The license keys are built-in OEM motherboards (BIOS embedded keys) at the factory for Dell's HP's etc since Windows 8.

    but a retail Win-10 pro license would actually cost more than I paid for the machine.
    That is why, since the majority of my clients I serve are older and many on fixed incomes have me buy and sell them a legally refurbished machine when needed.

    I have had a few who made the same error you did when purchasing a computer and sent them back after I informed them of thier error. Also had one not too long buy a decent gaming machine with a bootleg license as well. I just had him get the correct one and did the install.
    All other types like system builders and retail still have 25 digit keys to input.
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  9. PeterPan2000's Avatar
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       #49

    Porthos said:
    The license keys are built-in OEM motherboards (BIOS embedded keys) at the factory for Dell's HP's etc since Windows 8.



    That is why, since the majority of my clients I serve are older and many on fixed incomes have me buy and sell them a legally refurbished machine when needed.

    I have had a few who made the same error you did when purchasing a computer and sent them back after I informed them of thier error. Also had one not too long buy a decent gaming machine with a bootleg license as well. I just had him get the correct one and did the install.
    All other types like system builders and retail still have 25 digit keys to input.
    Do you think if I buy a cheap OEM license I cpould just use its key? They are going for about $35 on ebay, money back if it doesn't work. One even said he'd send me the key, let me try, and if it works I could then follow through and buy the disk. These disks are old win-10 pro (64) installs from about 2017, so I would not want to do a full install and then have to go through all those windows upgrades again. Maybe its like older (win7 and XP ) installs? In those days, you might do an install to repair or refresh an existing system and up-date the ownership, but If the install saw your current OS and drivers and such were newer, it would leave them alone.

    Of course its possible such an attempt at putting in a new key could both fail, AND NOT let me go back! I don't know. I could try it on a working drive clone.

    In any case, returns won't be possible at this point. I have both scorned the seller in my feedback, and turned him in the the fraud division of Amazon. So I've burned my bridges, in hopes of warning potential buyers.

    We'll see how it goes. My "bogus" license has already done all windows updates with no issue, and if the the activation expiration "magically" keeps bumping the ending date forward, maybe I can live with it as is (for a while at least).
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  10. Superfly's Avatar
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    There is a KMS service exploit that runs as a service (not an installed exe) and gets called by a scheduled task at logon to mimic a KMS activation request - this serves to perpetually increase the activation window (note too the KMS server address 172.16.0.2 - this is a private IP (AFAIK) and not a LAN driven one as in legit KMS servers.

    Most Vista PC's (with SLIC 2.0 OEM marker) got the Win 7 OEM marker (SLIC 2.1) with a bios update (as SLIC 2.1 is backwardly compatible with SLIC 2.0 ) - hence the conflict regarding COA and firmware.

    Update:
    Parsing the dump files, I note FRST.txt line 90 shows the exploit

    Code:
    IFEO\osppsvc.exe: [Debugger] rundll32.exe SppExtComObjHook.dll,PatcherMain
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