Windows 10: Einstein's Definition of Insanity

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  1.    01 May 2018 #1

    Einstein's Definition of Insanity

    Einstein is widely credited with a definition of insanity which says that it is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.

    If the nightmare 1709 windows update does not work on a machine for whatever reason then why does Win 10 Automatic Update immediately try and do the update again after spending an hour rolling back to the old version of the operating system after the failed update?

    Microsoft, if you are reading this:- There is no point in blindly charging ahead and repeating an update attempt in an endless and inescapable loop. If it did not work the first time because a driver is not supported any-more then it will still not work until a driver update solution is found.

    These inescapable update loops burn a lot of down-time and achieve nothing.

    The Update process should stop trying to update if a driver version problem is causing the update to fail and roll-back.
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       01 May 2018 #2

    Yeah, but look at all of the billable work that gets generated for the tech. support folks.
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  3.    01 May 2018 #3

    I read somewhere that there is a way to allow updates but selectively block a specific update that is failing so Windows will keep other stuff up to date but will avoid the problem update.

    I have burned 45 hours trying to get the 1709 update to work on a Lenovo X230.

    I would like to block just the 1709 update.
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  4.    01 May 2018 #4

    Hi @mojorising,

    If you have Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise editions then check this Tutorial by Shawn Brink. See Option One or Option Two.

    How to Enable or Disable Automatic Updates for Windows Update in Windows 10

    There is also a third party tool called WUMT (Windows Update Minitool) which you can set to Notification and then pick and choose or even hide specific updates. However, please note that lately I have not had any luck hiding Feature Updates (such as 1709 or 1803). Well I can hide them but Windows Update still finds them but at least it does not automatically try to install the updates when you are in Notification mode. Some choice is better than no choice.
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  5.    01 May 2018 #5

    I only have Home edition.
    But I will check out that WUMT
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  6.    01 May 2018 #6

    Good luck. It has been a long time since I used WUMT on Windows 10 Home edition. You results may be hit or miss. It is not because of WUMT but because in Windows 10 Home edition certain registry keys are ignored even thought they are there and set correctly.
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       01 May 2018 #7

    mojorising said: View Post
    I only have Home edition...
    This tool from Microsoft works in any edition. It can hide any update that would be delivered through windows update, from a driver update up to a 'Features Update'.

    Hide or Show Windows Updates in Windows 10
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  8.    01 May 2018 #8

    Hey @Bree,

    I have had mixed results with that tool as well, especially in Window 10 Home edition.
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       01 May 2018 #9

    tracit99 said: View Post
    I have had mixed results with that tool as well, especially in Window 10 Home edition.
    It works fine in Home, but where it can come unstuck is when Microsoft reissues an update. This happened to me when the 'features update to windows 10, version 1703' was reclassified from Current Branch (CB) to Current Branch for Business (CBB). Windows Update sees the CBB version as a completely different update from the CB one that I had hidden, so I had to hide it again.

    The same trick was used aggressively back when Windows 7/8 could hide updates, the GWX app was regularly reissued to get round people hiding it.
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  10.    02 May 2018 #10

    mojorising said: View Post
    I would like to block just the 1709 update.
    If you use WUMT Wrapper Script you can just avoid selecting it for download and installation.

    Download WUMT Wrapper Script - MajorGeeks

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    Also run configurator.cmd if you ever need to manually install an update.

    If 1709 has been downloaded and keeps trying to install you might need to reset WU.
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