Windows 10: fall creators on small 32gb ssd, not enough space

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  1. Posts : 70
    windows xp, vista, 7, 8.1, 10 multiboot
       3 Weeks Ago #1

    fall creators on small 32gb ssd, not enough space


    The latest win 10 upgrade requires a minimum of 8gb free space on the C: drive.

    This is a problem for those with a small storage media, ie typically 32gb.

    Perhaps Microsoft needs to reconsider how these upgrades are implemented?

    It shouldn't be necessary to have to move stuff off and uninstall stuff to achieve the upgrade.

    Even removing the previously saved Windows.old file is not simple, and only freed 2-3gb. Am I wrong but I thought that the Windows.old folder is supposed to be automatically deleted after 30 days?

    Some of the "enhancements" introduced, and not announced, such as introducing times when updates should not be installed are better, but as a Windows practician I know this but 95% of win 10 users aren't aware. I think these are just patching over a basic flaw in the whole concept/design of Windows updates in Win10. Really suggest that MS should go back to the drawing board on this, as really this is one thing in Win10 that is really turning people away from Windows.
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       3 Weeks Ago #2

    Maybe this can help(and maybe not):
    Watch the first 14 minutes of this video at Channel 9, and go to the links in the description at the bottom.

    Defrag: Windows 10 Creators Update Updating, Fixing a Win10 Homegroup, Star Trek VR and more... Channel 9
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  3. Posts : 70
    windows xp, vista, 7, 8.1, 10 multiboot
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       3 Weeks Ago #3

    Thanks made me chuckle - impressed that he got it onto a 16gb device!

    Nevertheless, irrespective of how you do it, it is over complex, and really creating an unnecessary problem (maybe always would be for a 16gb device); just demonstrates where MS is going wrong and how novices get really frustrated with MS, among many other unnecessary changes that MS makes.

    Note this isn't a problem for enterprise users just the ordinary punter, some who know a bit and others who are clueless.
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  4.    3 Weeks Ago #4

    robmar0se said: View Post
    The latest win 10 upgrade requires a minimum of 8gb free space on the C: drive.

    This is a problem for those with a small storage media, ie typically 32gb.

    Perhaps Microsoft needs to reconsider how these upgrades are implemented?

    It shouldn't be necessary to have to move stuff off and uninstall stuff to achieve the upgrade.

    Even removing the previously saved Windows.old file is not simple, and only freed 2-3gb. Am I wrong but I thought that the Windows.old folder is supposed to be automatically deleted after 30 days?

    Some of the "enhancements" introduced, and not announced, such as introducing times when updates should not be installed are better, but as a Windows practician I know this but 95% of win 10 users aren't aware. I think these are just patching over a basic flaw in the whole concept/design of Windows updates in Win10. Really suggest that MS should go back to the drawing board on this, as really this is one thing in Win10 that is really turning people away from Windows.
    Before criticising things, you could ask how to do it properly.

    1) Run disk cleanup, and make sure you select remove old system installation files, and check all boxes in popup list.

    2) Move data in users directories to sd card

    3) Temporarily disable hibernation

    4) Download iso and store on sd card

    5) Attach a usb flash drive with at least 8GB spare capacity

    6) Mount iso on SD card and run setup.exe.
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  5. Posts : 70
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       3 Weeks Ago #5

    Please don't be so arrogant, people like you think you know everything and that everyone else is a fool.

    As it happens this was achieved using previous experience (50 years, including windows 1 upwards), and a dash of common sense. Your advice may help many who read this, however many users don't get this far - my comments are aimed at MS who seem to believe that the process of update/upgrades is a step forward. Well I'm sorry for most non-tech punters its a total anathema.
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  6. Posts : 1,981
    Windows 3.1 to Windows 10
       3 Weeks Ago #6

    Perhaps Microsoft needs to reconsider how these upgrades are implemented?
    This issue is Storage Space for which MS has no control
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  7. Posts : 70
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       3 Weeks Ago #7

    Kyhi said: View Post
    This issue is Storage Space for which MS has no control
    Maybe, but isn't this part of the problem? Microsoft isn't considering its client base, just to ignore users with typically 32gb storage, many sold in this format by companies such as Lenovo, Asus, etc., who apparently work closely with MS (note these smaller systems have SS which is not readiy upgraded).
    In systems I used to develop we had to think about the constraints and design around them.
    This idea that the upgrade needs a 8gb free space is not the only way it could be done, the design should (i) check the space (which is does), (ii) remove stuff that ain't necessary (warning first), eg Windows.old, temp files etc. and install in different ways depending on the constraints/limitations.
    One solution that fits all, isn't the best design in the world, I would say its cheap and nasty. We've moved on from Model T Fords, any colour as long as its black!
    I bet you could do a better job, or at least design one!
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  •    3 Weeks Ago #8

    robmar0se said: View Post
    .. the design should (i) check the space (which is does), (ii) remove stuff that ain't necessary (warning first), eg Windows.old, temp files etc. and install in different ways depending on the constraints/limitations.
    As far as I remember it already does - if you haven't enough space upgrade will recommend disk cleanup or connecting an external drive. For this reason I increased size of my VMs from 20GB to 32GB so they would upgrade without bugging me.

    32GB is still a bit tight though I agree if you actually want to use the thing for anything - perhaps MS shouldn't license Windows on such small devices - but then if the minimum sold was 64GB people would still fill it full of junk (or data, call it what you will).
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  •    3 Weeks Ago #9

    I understand @robmar0se's point of view and I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, HP weren't a little miffed that they're stuck with 32GB Stream support for customers who don't even know about support forums such as this.

    It's a bit concerning that they are still being sold even though some (many) users are now finding them 'not fit for purpose' (a consumer legislation term here in the UK) when forced updates occur but fail.

    It just turns it into a 'duck responsibility' merry-go-round for many people who don't understand what's happening, don't actually want to know what's happening but just want their purchase to work.
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  • Posts : 2,327
    Windows 10 Pro x64 FCU - XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing
       3 Weeks Ago #10

    These ultra compacts are designed for several reasons Portability, yes, like a big phone, Yes, for serious use, No

    Most of the sellers of these units will also produce more conventional units with more realistic storage size options

    They are built down to a price and some do come with a copy of windows installed - mostly older versions but even these can soon run out of Space.

    What I have found with these units is that they , at least the few that I have dealt with, (when clients have problems updating, receiving the "not enough space" warnings as above), if you add a reasonably fast USB storage device, this is added to the available storage, on the same Drive letter as the original storage so the system is easily, and reasonably cheaply expandable, for updates and even initial installation

    One other cost restriction on the devices that I looked at was the a the storage module although a standard unit as fitted to many modern devices was soldered to the motherboard rather than socketed

    I cannot confirm that this type of expansion is standard across the ecosystem for this type of device, I cannot even remember the badging on the units I worked with, but it may be worthwhile checking
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