fall creators on small 32gb ssd, not enough space

The latest win 10 upgrade requires a minimum of 8gb free space on the C: drive.

This is a problem for those with a small storage media, ie typically 32gb.

Perhaps Microsoft needs to reconsider how these upgrades are implemented?

It shouldn't be necessary to have to move stuff off and uninstall stuff to achieve the upgrade.

Even removing the previously saved Windows.old file is not simple, and only freed 2-3gb. Am I wrong but I thought that the Windows.old folder is supposed to be automatically deleted after 30 days?

Some of the "enhancements" introduced, and not announced, such as introducing times when updates should not be installed are better, but as a Windows practician I know this but 95% of win 10 users aren't aware. I think these are just patching over a basic flaw in the whole concept/design of Windows updates in Win10. Really suggest that MS should go back to the drawing board on this, as really this is one thing in Win10 that is really turning people away from Windows.

Thanks made me chuckle - impressed that he got it onto a 16gb device!

Nevertheless, irrespective of how you do it, it is over complex, and really creating an unnecessary problem (maybe always would be for a 16gb device); just demonstrates where MS is going wrong and how novices get really frustrated with MS, among many other unnecessary changes that MS makes.

Note this isn't a problem for enterprise users just the ordinary punter, some who know a bit and others who are clueless.

Please don't be so arrogant, people like you think you know everything and that everyone else is a fool.

As it happens this was achieved using previous experience (50 years, including windows 1 upwards), and a dash of common sense. Your advice may help many who read this, however many users don't get this far - my comments are aimed at MS who seem to believe that the process of update/upgrades is a step forward. Well I'm sorry for most non-tech punters its a total anathema.

Kyhi said:

This issue is Storage Space for which MS has no control

Maybe, but isn't this part of the problem? Microsoft isn't considering its client base, just to ignore users with typically 32gb storage, many sold in this format by companies such as Lenovo, Asus, etc., who apparently work closely with MS (note these smaller systems have SS which is not readiy upgraded).
In systems I used to develop we had to think about the constraints and design around them.
This idea that the upgrade needs a 8gb free space is not the only way it could be done, the design should (i) check the space (which is does), (ii) remove stuff that ain't necessary (warning first), eg Windows.old, temp files etc. and install in different ways depending on the constraints/limitations.
One solution that fits all, isn't the best design in the world, I would say its cheap and nasty. We've moved on from Model T Fords, any colour as long as its black!
I bet you could do a better job, or at least design one!

robmar0se said:

.. the design should (i) check the space (which is does), (ii) remove stuff that ain't necessary (warning first), eg Windows.old, temp files etc. and install in different ways depending on the constraints/limitations.

As far as I remember it already does - if you haven't enough space upgrade will recommend disk cleanup or connecting an external drive. For this reason I increased size of my VMs from 20GB to 32GB so they would upgrade without bugging me.

32GB is still a bit tight though I agree if you actually want to use the thing for anything - perhaps MS shouldn't license Windows on such small devices - but then if the minimum sold was 64GB people would still fill it full of junk (or data, call it what you will).

I understand @robmar0se's point of view and I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, HP weren't a little miffed that they're stuck with 32GB Stream support for customers who don't even know about support forums such as this.

It's a bit concerning that they are still being sold even though some (many) users are now finding them 'not fit for purpose' (a consumer legislation term here in the UK) when forced updates occur but fail.

It just turns it into a 'duck responsibility' merry-go-round for many people who don't understand what's happening, don't actually want to know what's happening but just want their purchase to work.