Windows 10: Changed Windows Update Assistant Settings and Have a Question

  1.    22 Mar 2018 #1

    Changed Windows Update Assistant Settings and Have a Question


    So I was perfectly fine earlier this month running 1703 (new notebook 12/17) even though 1703 I believe came out in April 2017 until MS hijacked (it turns out they did this to almost EVERYBODY) a few weeks ago and unceremoniously installed 1709. This is what my update settings looked like before the auto install of 1709:

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    So I went searching for trouble and ending up following some instructions I found regarding the update assistant and messing around with the task scheduler. This is what I disabled in task scheduler as it pertains to the update assistant:

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    When by chance this morning what with all the buzz about the new Spring Creators Update forthcoming I looked at my windows update settings and it now looks like this. The options are grayed out:

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    So does it look like this now since I fiddled around with the task scheduler and made those changes regarding update assistant? Clearly MS has the capability to over ride the settings I had previously and I was wondering if what my update settings look like now are they more bullet proof so to speak then having them set the old way as shown in the first pic "This is what my update settings looked like before the auto install of 1709."

    Thanks
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  2.    22 Mar 2018 #2

    Hi, there is a possible clue... both in the red message (some group policy set) and in helpful blue one underneath. Have you tried clicking that?

    It appears the reason that's greyed out is because of a group policy setting. Mine's the same. Clicking the blue link I see
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    And if you look in the group policy editor you can fairly easily pick out the policies that are configured.

    So I was perfectly fine earlier this month running 1703 (new notebook 12/17) even though 1703 I believe came out in April 2017 until MS hijacked (it turns out they did this to almost EVERYBODY) a few weeks ago and unceremoniously installed 1709
    Well, it is getting on for 365 days since the release of 1703... I would have thought a bit too early for that delay to have expired. Hazarding a guess, you somehow got the upgrade when that delay was regarded as terminated. If so, it's behaving as expected.

    Now if you had also set updates to Notify, as I have, when that happened to me (one previous build a long time back) then you could have avoided the upgrade being applied and not been caught out as you apparently feel you have been.
    it turns out they did this to almost EVERYBODY
    - demonstrable statistics, please....
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  3.    22 Mar 2018 #3

    @dalchina Thanks for the reply. So I am going to respond without quoting your entire message and repeating the pics.

    Hi, there is a possible clue... both in the red message (some group policy set) and in helpful blue one underneath. Have you tried clicking that?

    It appears the reason that's greyed out is because of a group policy setting. Mine's the same. Clicking the blue link I see

    Right. I also clicked the "blue link" earlier and while I am not home now to check I believe I saw what you saw or very similar. I'll check later tonight though honestly I am not sure I quite understand all the terminology ie. "specifies target server to host updates" and others.

    And if you look in the group policy editor you can fairly easily pick out the policies that are configured.

    Sorry, not home.How do you easily pick out the polices that are configured? Is what I did with the task scheduler disabling the update assistant is that reflected in the group policy setting that I did there as well or did fiddling with the task scheduler have nothing to do at all with a "group policy setting" and if not do you know what the group policy setting is that apparently both you and I changed to reflect the new look "view configured update policies."

    Well, it is getting on for 365 days since the release of 1703

    Yeah, I got that. My grumbling had more to do with the fact that the computer was only three months old and I was still getting used to 1703 though I was even more pissed about what MS did.

    Now if you had also set updates to Notify, as I have, when that happened to me

    How do you do that?

    it turns out they did this to almost EVERYBODY


    - demonstrable statistics, please....

    What, I can't be hyperbolic : )

    https://www.google.com/search?q=wndo...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    One last thing. Changing the task scheduler and the win update assistant to disabled and apparently making changes to the GPE do you think this is a better course of action of trying to regain more control over when and what windows updates? Thanks

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  4.    22 Mar 2018 #4

    Fiddling with the task scheduler isn't a great idea here. As you clearly have Pro, you can do better.

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    Glancing through you can see those enabled.

    If you use the filter, you can see ONLY those enabled:
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    Windows Update Minitool is an easy way to set updates to Notify:
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    Else use the group policy editor:
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    - see also the Tutorial on enabling and disabling Windows updates where Notify is documented.
    Enable or Disable Windows Update Automatic Updates in Windows 10 Windows 10 Tutorials
    Option 1, 4.

    For reference, here's the Tutorial on Deferring upgrades:
    Windows Update - Defer Feature and Quality Updates in Windows 10 Windows 10 Tutorials

    If you really have a grudge against Windows Updates, see
    Stop Windows 10 Updates Properly and Completely Solved - Windows 10 Forums
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       22 Mar 2018 #5

    phaedruspress said: View Post
    So I was perfectly fine earlier this month running 1703 (new notebook 12/17) even though 1703 I believe came out in April 2017 until MS hijacked (it turns out they did this to almost EVERYBODY) a few weeks ago and unceremoniously installed 1709.
    There was an unfortunate bug in KB4023814, an update that was supposed to install the Update Assistant on all versions from 1507 to 1607, and for 1703 only on those machines that were not configured to defer Features updates...

    Microsoft is aware that this notification was incorrectly delivered to some Windows 10 Version 1703 devices that had a user-defined feature update deferral period configured. Microsoft mitigated this issue on March 8, 2018.

    Users who were affected by this issue and who upgraded to Windows 10 Version 1709 can revert to an earlier version within 10 days of the upgrade.
    KB4023814 Windows 10 display notification to install latest version
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  6.    23 Mar 2018 #6

    @Bree <There was an unfortunate bug in KB4023814...

    I'm a cynic at heart and I also read about the "unintentional" upgrade that went against user set preferences (1703 to 1709) however I also read a couple of weeks ago when this happened that MS had "apologized" at least once and maybe twice within the last 6 months or so regarding "bugs" that foisted unwanted updates.

    https://betanews.com/2017/06/02/micr...recovery-tips/
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       23 Mar 2018 #7

    phaedruspress said: View Post
    I'm a cynic at heart...
    I'm not, I blame lack of testing rather than 'conspiracy'. There's plenty of evidence, most recently the complete mess for the exploit protection pages in Defender - apparently only the EN-US one was tested properly for 16299.309, other languages saw garbage.

    ...totally messed up. All the text is in the wrong place. A simple programing error has shuffled the table of text strings....

    A monumental SNAFU - Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves
    Windows Defender Exploit Protection problem
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