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  1. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 54
    Windows 10 Pro
       30 Jul 2015 #11

    Delicieuxz said: View Post
    If you upgraded a retail Windows 8.1 license, then your Windows 10 license is also retail, and you can transfer it to a new PC without issue.

    This is confirmed by Microsoft, and is written in the Windows 10 EULA.
    That's what I read, but how do you transfer? That's the great unanswered question and for now it's stopping me from taking the plunge with Windows 10.
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  2. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 60
    Windows 10 10586.218
       30 Jul 2015 #12

    Delicieuxz said: View Post
    If you upgraded a retail Windows 8.1 license, then your Windows 10 license is also retail, and you can transfer it to a new PC without issue.

    This is confirmed by Microsoft, and is written in the Windows 10 EULA.
    I dont think so. I upgraded from OEM and the dli on cmd shows its Retail. Anyway, Windows 10 will use a generic key to activate.
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  3. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       30 Jul 2015 #13

    You transfer by installing Windows 7 or 8.x on the new computer, then upgrading it to Windows 10. Once your old key has been upgraded once (assuming it's a retail key) it will be recognized as a valid Windows 10 upgrade by the activation servers when you perform the upgrade on a new machine, even if it's beyond the 1 year free upgrade period. The license is tied to your old product key, even though you can't install Windows 10 clean the first time with that product key on that hardware.

    The first time you install Windows 10 on any given hardware, you must perform an upgrade from the previous retail OS (For clarification this is only for the free upgrade, If you buy a Windows 10 license, you can of course install clean at any time). You are free to perform clean installs as many times as you want on that hardware after the upgrade.
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  4. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 1,375
    Win 10 14393.51
       30 Jul 2015 #14

    Mystere said: View Post
    You transfer by installing Windows 7 or 8.x on the new computer, then upgrading it to Windows 10. Once your old key has been upgraded once (assuming it's a retail key) it will be recognized as a valid Windows 10 upgrade by the activation servers when you perform the upgrade on a new machine, even if it's beyond the 1 year free upgrade period. The license is tied to your old product key, even though you can't install Windows 10 clean the first time with that product key on that hardware.

    The first time you install Windows 10 on any given hardware, you must perform an upgrade from the previous retail OS (For clarification this is only for the free upgrade, If you buy a Windows 10 license, you can of course install clean at any time). You are free to perform clean installs as many times as you want on that hardware after the upgrade.
    Logical, if something of an annoyance. (3 OS installs on new hardware, if you want a virginal Win10 installation.)

    I hope that this will be verified prior to the end of the free upgrade program.

    I also hope that here's a backdoor way to install and activate Win 10 from the free upgrade without installing the qualifying OS first. With the Win 8 upgrade license, the official way was the same: install it as an upgrade from an installed, and activated, qualifying OS. There is a simple work-around for that that allows 8.1 to be installed and activated on a new system without any prior OS. I recognize that it there may be no backdoor for Win 10: the upgrade is free, and it does not produce a license key.
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  5. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 54
    Windows 10 Pro
       30 Jul 2015 #15

    Mystere said: View Post
    You transfer by installing Windows 7 or 8.x on the new computer, then upgrading it to Windows 10. Once your old key has been upgraded once (assuming it's a retail key) it will be recognized as a valid Windows 10 upgrade by the activation servers when you perform the upgrade on a new machine, even if it's beyond the 1 year free upgrade period. The license is tied to your old product key, even though you can't install Windows 10 clean the first time with that product key on that hardware.

    The first time you install Windows 10 on any given hardware, you must perform an upgrade from the previous retail OS (For clarification this is only for the free upgrade, If you buy a Windows 10 license, you can of course install clean at any time). You are free to perform clean installs as many times as you want on that hardware after the upgrade.
    I see. Not the most elegant procedure but I can live with it. Thanks for the explanation.
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  6. Joined : Oct 2014
    Manchester CT
    Posts : 272
    Windows 10 Fast Ring
       30 Jul 2015 #16

    Indeed, this is very confusing. I found out that with Win8.1 and an mobo with a UEFI BIOS, the product key is baked into the mobo. That is why no key was needed when I upgraded my HTPC. How that works on other, older mobos without a UEFI BIOS I am not sure. So Win10 uses the baked in product key for doing a clean install (that is how it recognizes that there is already a valid license). Now can the same Win8.1 key be added to a NEW mobo and will Win10 upgrade? It comes down to the question of does Win10 do a lookup in a MS database of used Win8.1 license numbers? I think so. MS used to just use a hash mark algorithm to verify that the license was valid but obviously, MS now knows that the license was used otherwise all anyone would need is a single valid Win8.1 key and use it over and over.
    I have a feeling that, like the old OEM license procedure, you will have to call MS (in India and talk with Susie) and say that you replaced a "defective" mobo in your original computer and you need to have the Win 8.1 license number renewed. That should allow you to do another upgrade to Win10 with new hardware. And you may be able to do it long after the one year "free upgrade".
    Just to add to the confusion, I have Technet Win8.1 Pro Retail licenses that are good for 10 activations! My mind boggles.

    BTW, I just ran Keyfinder on both my Win10 insider and my upgraded HTPC (using the MS MediaCeationTool.exe program. Both have the same revision number (ends in 363) and both have the generic Win10 Pro license number that came with version 240:
    VK7JG-NPHTM-C97JM-9MPGT-3V66T
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  7. Joined : Jan 2015
    Posts : 167
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64
       30 Jul 2015 #17

    John Pombrio said: View Post
    So Win10 uses the baked in product key for doing a clean install (that is how it recogonizes that there is already a valid license).
    If that's the case, those keys can be extracted from the BIOS and used to do a clean install of Windows 10 without a prior Win7/8 -> 10 upgrade installation. I think.

    I still allow that a retail Win 7/8 key registered for the free upgrade may allow a direct Windows 10 upgrade. If the key is registered with Microsoft servers as valid for the free upgrade, beyond the 1 year period, then I can't see why it wouldn't be recognized during the process of a clean installation, as it is being recognized during an upgrade just fine.

    I'll be waiting to see confirmation from someone on this. The key is that the license must have gone through the upgrade process at least once before, to be registered as a Windows 10 license. Then I hope it would work on new systems, for a clean Windows 10 installation.
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  8. Joined : Jul 2015
    United States
    Posts : 165
    Windows 10 Home x64
       30 Jul 2015 #18

    My computer's motherboard has a UEFI BIOS, but Windows didn't come pre-installed on my computer... it was a system builder copy I bought and installed, since Microsoft had already pulled the retail copies from shelves.

    So, is the Windows 7 key still baked in it? Or is that only if it comes pre-installed on an OEM machine?
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  9. Joined : Oct 2014
    Manchester CT
    Posts : 272
    Windows 10 Fast Ring
       30 Jul 2015 #19

    Delicieuxz said: View Post
    If that's the case, those keys can be extracted from the BIOS and used to do a clean install of Windows 10 without a prior Win7/8 -> 10 upgrade installation. I think

    AND

    So, is the Windows 7 key still baked in it? Or is that only if it comes pre-installed on an OEM machine?
    The product key baked into the mobo is probably just the Win8.1 product key which you should already have. As far as Win7, not so simple. MS REQUIRED Win8.1 to be put on the OEM's mobos (and MS burned our Retail numbers into the UEFI BIOS for our system builds during installs). Win7 does NOT have to do this which is why MS is saying that you copy down your Win7 product key during the upgrade as the Win10 install will likely ask for it. Win7 also had OEM license numbers so that adds even more confusion.
    Of course, I could be wrong about all of this but its sounds reasonable, heh.
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  10. Joined : Jul 2015
    United States
    Posts : 165
    Windows 10 Home x64
       30 Jul 2015 #20

    John Pombrio said: View Post
    The product key baked into the Mobo is probably just the Win8.1 product key which you should already have. As far as Win7, not so simple. MS REQUIRED Win8.1 to be put on the OEM's mobos (and MS burned our Retail numbers into the UEFI BIOS for our systme builds during installs). Win7 does NOT have to do this which is why MS is saying that you copy down your Win7 product key during the upgrade as the Win10 install will likely ask for it.
    Of course, I could be wrong about all of this but its sounds reasonable, heh.
    Well, I upgraded directly from Windows 7 and didn't have to put in any product key.

    I have the COA from my copy of Windows 7 though for reference.
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