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  1.    10 Aug 2015 #111

    I think you are over analyzing things my friend. If you have a license then you do, if you don't then you don't.
    @Mystere wrote a good FAQ but that is the bottom line.

    I copied my win 10 to another pc but it was legit anyway and it worked fine.
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  2. Joined : Jul 2015
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       10 Aug 2015 #112

    halasz said: View Post
    I think you are over analyzing things my friend. If you have a license then you do, if you don't then you don't.
    @Mystere wrote a good FAQ but that is the bottom line.

    I copied my win 10 to another pc but it was legit anyway and it worked fine.
    On the contrary, I'd rather not have to think about it at all! It ought to be this simple...


    1. Register with Microsoft for free Windows 10 upgrade.
    2. Provide evidence that you are a current legit Windows 7/8/8.1 user.
    3. Receive a new Windows 10 product key.
    4. Download Windows 10 from Microsoft.
    5. Clean install Windows 10 to computer.
    6. Use new key to activate.
    7. Repeat steps 5 and 6 when transferring to new computer.


    I really don't understand why it needs to be any harder than that!
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  3. Joined : Oct 2013
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       10 Aug 2015 #113

    Simple reason for using the method chosen - Piracy

    As the pirates become more advanced, the licensing system has to advance too

    The sufferers of this change are of course the legit users who have to go though hoops to just use a licensed OS

    I don't think we can blame Microsoft or any other software developer for wanting to get paid for their work

    It makes sense to have the licence details on the MS servers as they should be less likely to end up stolen that the current key system
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro
       10 Aug 2015 #114

    Barman58 said: View Post
    Simple reason for using the method chosen - Piracy

    As the pirates become more advanced, the licensing system has to advance too

    The sufferers of this change are of course the legit users who have to go though hoops to just use a licensed OS

    I don't think we can blame Microsoft or any other software developer for wanting to get paid for their work

    It makes sense to have the licence details on the MS servers as they should be less likely to end up stolen that the current key system
    I think anybody determined enough to pirate Windows 10 will do so regardless of the measures implemented by Microsoft.

    If I buy Windows 10 in a shop I'll get a product key. Why should the upgrade be any different? Perhaps Microsoft could think about connecting the licence to your Microsoft account. That would seem a more practical anti-piracy measure to me...


    1. Register with Microsoft for free Windows 10 upgrade.
    2. Provide evidence that you are a current legit Windows 7/8/8.1 user.
    3. Choose a Microsoft account to use with Windows 10.
    4. Download Windows 10 from Microsoft.
    5. Clean install Windows 10 to computer.
    6. Activate via Microsoft account.
    7. Repeat steps 5 and 6 when transferring to new computer.


    I realise there will be people who prefer not to use a Microsoft account but I'd be more than happy with that arrangement.
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  5. Joined : Oct 2013
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       10 Aug 2015 #115

    The vast majority of store bought windows 10 licences will come installed in devices with the activation information burned into the hardware. for the relatively few stand alone new or upgrade the product key will still be used but is being phased out
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  6. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro
       10 Aug 2015 #116

    Barman58 said: View Post
    The vast majority of store bought windows 10 licences will come installed in devices with the activation information burned into the hardware. for the relatively few stand alone new or upgrade the product key will still be used but is being phased out
    Phased out in favour of what? If the product key is now considered a relic of the past, at least replace it with something equally (or indeed more) convenient.

    Perhaps eventually we'll all be using portable devices with complete OS integration at the hardware level but as long as there are people building and upgrading their own computers (quite often the gamers and power users), Microsoft will need to cater for them.
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  7. Joined : Sep 2014
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       10 Aug 2015 #117

    wiggly1uk2000 said: View Post
    Phased out in favour of what? If the product key is now considered a relic of the past, at least replace it with something equally (or indeed more) convenient.

    Perhaps eventually we'll all be using portable devices with complete OS integration at the hardware level but as long as there are people building and upgrading their own computers (quite often the gamers and power users), Microsoft will need to cater for them.
    There will still be product keys for new licensed full retail versions. But, that's it. All others will come with the license either in the hardware already, or as an upgrade from a previous install, none of which use a key to install.
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  8. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro
       10 Aug 2015 #118

    Mystere said: View Post
    There will still be product keys for new licensed full retail versions. But, that's it. All others will come with the license either in the hardware already, or as an upgrade from a previous install, none of which use a key to install.
    I appreciate the clarification.

    I'm sorry to say that I won't be taking advantage of the free upgrade under such circumstances. I'll either buy a Windows 10 retail licence (unlikely given the price) or stick with the Windows 8.1 retail licence I already have. I love a freebie as much as the next man, but as is often the case, the devil is in the detail.

    If I upgrade my PC hardware once, twice or even several times over the next few years then I expect to be able to clean install Windows 10 each time without any additional OS installation steps. It would seem that the free upgrade denies me that basic functionality. C'est la vie.
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  9. Joined : Oct 2014
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       10 Aug 2015 #119

    wiggly1uk2000 said: View Post
    I appreciate the clarification.

    I'm sorry to say that I won't be taking advantage of the free upgrade under such circumstances. I'll either buy a Windows 10 retail licence (unlikely given the price) or stick with the Windows 8.1 retail licence I already have. I love a freebie as much as the next man, but as is often the case, the devil is in the detail.

    If I upgrade my PC hardware once, twice or even several times over the next few years then I expect to be able to clean install Windows 10 each time without any additional OS installation steps. It would seem that the free upgrade denies me that basic functionality. C'est la vie.
    @wiggly1uk2000

    From what I understand Microsoft is picky if you change the motherboard. Everything else should be able to be changed without issue.
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  10. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 Home x64
       10 Aug 2015 #120

    wiggly1uk2000 said: View Post
    I appreciate the clarification.

    I'm sorry to say that I won't be taking advantage of the free upgrade under such circumstances. I'll either buy a Windows 10 retail licence (unlikely given the price) or stick with the Windows 8.1 retail licence I already have. I love a freebie as much as the next man, but as is often the case, the devil is in the detail.

    If I upgrade my PC hardware once, twice or even several times over the next few years then I expect to be able to clean install Windows 10 each time without any additional OS installation steps. It would seem that the free upgrade denies me that basic functionality. C'est la vie.
    Since you have a retail license, that shouldn't be a problem, so has been said. If you have a retail Windows 7 or 8... you will have the same license in Windows 10 if you upgrade.
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