Windows 10: Win 10 RS-4 not compatible with Intel DX58SO motherboard Solved

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  1. johngalt's Avatar
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       08 Dec 2017 #61

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    You may need to run setup from within the sources folder, not from the root of the virtual dvd that mounting created.

    Ah I see. DISM Apply would work cross architecturally.
    You could create a VHD and install to that, without destroying your 16299 installation.
    Interesting. I did not know that DISM apply would work across different architectures....
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  2. Fafhrd's Avatar
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       08 Dec 2017 #62

    Basically, the wimfile is a compressed archive. DISM just decompresses the contents and checks the file structure integrity. This is bit-length agnostic. Only when the system is booted for the first time does OOBE install drivers and of course these are all from within the same bit-length system.
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  3.    08 Dec 2017 #63

    Too tired to try anthing else now, tomorrow is another day.

    I’m going to concentrate on the parts for two new bulds now


    Tomorrow im getting a MSI nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 8GB

    All at bargain prices, new sealed boxed yet almost half price

    Just hope I can find the rest of the components for almost half price
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  4. johngalt's Avatar
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       08 Dec 2017 #64

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    Basically, the wimfile is a compressed archive. DISM just decompresses the contents and checks the file structure integrity. This is bit-length agnostic. Only when the system is booted for the first time does OOBE install drivers and of course these are all from within the same bit-length system.
    Ahhhh. That makes sense. I did not realize the file integrity check by DISM was architecture-independent.
    bordi said: View Post
    Too tired to try anthing else now, tomorrow is another day.

    I’m going to concentrate on the parts for two new bulds now


    Tomorrow im getting a MSI nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 8GB

    All at bargain prices, new sealed boxed yet almost half price

    Just hope I can find the rest of the components for almost half price
    See, now I am jealous. You're well on your way to a new build, something my 6 year old machine desperately needs....[emoji39]
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  5. Fafhrd's Avatar
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       08 Dec 2017 #65

    Dism was designed to service all platforms: 32-bit, 64-bit & Itanium, if you see old Windows 7 references. Thus you can service a 64-bit image from a 32-bit host and vice versa.
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  6.    09 Dec 2017 #66

    johngalt said: View Post
    See, now I am jealous. You're well on your way to a new build, something my 6 year old machine desperately needs....[emoji39]
    Long way to go yet mate if ever :)

    From purely a financial point of view I can’t make my mind up between these two
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    This: I7-7740X OEM Processor £200 with this: Asus TUF X299 MK2 Motherboard - £200 or this: Asus ROG STRIX X299-E Motherboard £300
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Or the: I7-8700K Processor - £350 with this: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING LGA1151 - £200 or this: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero LGA1151 - £250
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  7.    09 Dec 2017 #67

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    why not try a 32-bit version from the 17025 slow ring ISO?

    Just tried to install from USB with 17025 32bit and I got the same freeze result

    I don’t think there’s any need to format this or format that, if the computer recognises the USB (which it does) and tries to install from it then freezes on the windows logo, it’s obvious that something on the computer is not compatible with the RS-4s.

    Especially since we know the computer has no such problems with any of the RS-3s or the RS-2s or any other windows installation prior to the release of RS-4s for that matter.

    So the choices are:

    If I want to stay an insider, which I do seeing as I’ve been fascinated by the operating systems since the days of DOS 4/5.
    Keep updating with new insider releases in the hope that MS will one day fix the incompatibility issues with these motherboards.

    Or save my pennies and buy the components I need as and when I spot a bargain.
    Or rob a bank and buy all the components I need in one go:)


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    This guy has exactly the same issues as me with a different motherboard so I’m not alone

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...c-383355f543f4
    AlvinChipmunk said:
    I can't start 17017 and later builds on my ASUS P6T WS Professional with Xeon X5660. I'm running the 16299 now. Well, maybe it's the motherboard that RS4 can't deal with? RS4 doesn't like the Westmere CPUs? Or maybe X58? Or precisely ICH10R? The 16299 works just fine, so why did the 17017 become so picky? The problem is I can't even boot from the 17046 DVD, it freezes from the very beginning of the starting process, at the black screen with the blue Windows banner logo with no spinning dots. Actually, it reads the DVD for a minute (the Windows logo, no spinning dots) then stops and that's it. When I try to update my 16299 to RS4 (build 17017 and higher) after the first reboot it can't boot at all being stuck at the Windows logo. The Windows Update says it's error 0xc1900101.
    So, my issue is "what prevents RS4 to run on Xeon X5660, ASUS P6T WS Professional (X58) ?"
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  8.    09 Dec 2017 #68

    Just enabled UEFI in bios to eliminate that from the equation but it still froze and wouldn’t boot
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  9. johngalt's Avatar
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       09 Dec 2017 #69

    Well, it's not X58 that is the issue, nor is it the ICH10R chipset either, nor is it a Marvell 9128 chip causing the issue, as I have all 3. My CPU is a Bloomfield family just like yours, though it is unlocked for overclocking.

    The reason I said about the formatting (technically using diskpart and the clean command) was because I didn't like the multiple system partitions (I assumed both were on the install drive), and I don't really care for having those hidden partitions having been assigned a drive letter.

    I use Kari's 'Move Users folder' tutorial every time I clean install Windows, putting most of Windows on my 1TB SSD and moving the \Users folder to my 256GB SSD, both of which occupy the only 2 SATA III ports, which are controlled by the Marvell 9128 controller, not the ICH10R. In it he specifically states to make sure that you have the drives in the correct order, that you disconnect drives and peripherals you do not need to use during installation, and even disconnect network while installing. Numerous other tutorials that he has written here make similar admonishments - keep it simple, while using the least amount connected devices and hardware for the best chances of success.

    I have never bothered disconnecting my network, but when I do a clean reinstall, I disconnect all peripherals, and usually disconnect all but the two SSDs and my optical (since it is interior, versus the rest of my drives being in quick load bays). Last night, using a combination of 3 tutorials (main Windows 10 install guide, the move \Users tree tutorial, and the 'officially supported way to clean install the latest IP build' tutorial, when checking for updates on my system for fast ring from Fall Creators Update, it would not find anything, so I mounted the 17046 .ISO in Explorer, started setup, and in about 45 minutes I was back on 17046.

    With all your testing, I think you said you've already tried this method, so the next thing I can think of is:

    Do you have *any* hardware showing in Device Manager with any issues?
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  10.    09 Dec 2017 #70

    No issues at all mate in device manager, that’s the first thing I check when I do a clean install.
    Do you think if I try and overclock this system it may make a difference in the install of RS-4s?
    Might give that a go later and see what happens.
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