Windows 10: Win 10 RS-4 not compatible with Intel DX58SO motherboard Solved

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  1. Posts : 1,927
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       08 Dec 2017 #51

    So bordi should put his Corsair 1333MHz in the 3 Blue slots, avoiding the black one.
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  2.    08 Dec 2017 #52

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    Do these "freeze on win logo" all rollback ok? If so, I guess that there's a fair amount of telemetry being fed back

    According to the MB manual you posted earlier the black bank is Bank 1 for some reason, and may result in less than optimal performance??
    Yes it always rolls back ok after I switch the machine off and back on

    They must be getting fed up with the same telemetry over and over; between 17017 and17046 I must have had an install/upgrade fail more than a 100 times.

    johngalt said: View Post
    Channel a bank 1 only supports up to 1000MHz, not 1333, which is where the suboptimal performance comes from.
    That explains the three beeps :)

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    So bordi should put his Corsair 1333MHz in the 3 Blue slots, avoiding the black one.
    Yes mate thatís where they were from the beginning and thatís where they are now.

    I guess thereís nothing left to try now we have exhausted everything, letís see what happens with the new release we should get in a few hours
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  3. Posts : 1,534
    WinX Pro x64 IP current
       08 Dec 2017 #53

    There is over other thing - that would be to try a clean install of fall Creators update on a clean partition (preferably a clean HD) and then try to upgraded by joining the Insider Preview program Insider settings and see if it takes it that way.

    My set up is a bit newer, because my eVGA x58-based Mobo has 2 USB3 ports, and add I mentioned, the Marvel SATA controller on my machine is used for SATA III 'emulation', and the motherboard was put into sake around Oct. 2010, with the last BIOS released only a year later, but my peripheral hardware having been upgraded piecemeal a lot, but essentially we are running the same setup in terms of CPU family as well as main chipsets, so I really don't understand why yours is being faulty, and particularly since everything up to FCU worked.

    Have you done anything special to the OS, like move the \Users tree using Kari's tutorial (FWIW, I have and that hasn't affected me either), or else have you used the HAD being used for OS in another machine at all?

    I really think a clean HD will do the trick.

    Unless Microsoft had officially blocked older Intel made hardware, but then that should lead to some sort of message stating that, I would think.
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       08 Dec 2017 #54

    Looks like next week for a new build. For no particular reason I can think of, apart from exercising a bunch of 32-bit drivers, why not try a 32-bit version from the 17025 slow ring ISO?
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  5.    08 Dec 2017 #55

    johngalt said: View Post
    There is over other thing - that would be to try a clean install of fall Creators update on a clean partition (preferably a clean HD) and then try to upgraded by joining the Insider Preview program Insider settings and see if it takes it that way.
    If you mean a clean install of 16299 on a freshly formatted HD then download and upgrade to 17046, Iíve done that many times with the same results unfortunately.

    johngalt said: View Post
    My set up is a bit newer, because my eVGA x58-based Mobo has 2 USB3 ports, and add I mentioned, the Marvel SATA controller on my machine is used for SATA III 'emulation', and the motherboard was put into sake around Oct. 2010, with the last BIOS released only a year later, but my peripheral hardware having been upgraded piecemeal a lot, but essentially we are running the same setup in terms of CPU family as well as main chipsets, so I really don't understand why yours is being faulty, and particularly since everything up to FCU worked.
    Theyíve changed something with the RS-4s thatís just not compatible with this motherboard; I donít think itís to do with the CPU.
    Intel is saying that these DX58SO boards donít support windows 10 at all so unless there is some sort of unofficial generic BIOS update for these boards, or MS reverts whatever they did to make these boards incompatible, I think Iíve had it.

    johngalt said: View Post
    Have you done anything special to the OS, like move the \Users tree using Kari's tutorial (FWIW, I have and that hasn't affected me either), or else have you used the HAD being used for OS in another machine at all?

    I really think a clean HD will do the trick.
    Iíve done nothing to it at all to it; in fact this is a completely fresh install of a freshly formatted hard disk which I only installed early this morning.

    johngalt said: View Post
    Unless Microsoft had officially blocked older Intel made hardware, but then that should lead to some sort of message stating that, I would think.
    It seems to me thatís exactly what they have done, who knows?
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  6.    08 Dec 2017 #56

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    Looks like next week for a new build. For no particular reason I can think of, apart from exercising a bunch of 32-bit drivers, why not try a 32-bit version from the 17025 slow ring ISO?

    Yes I can try that if you think thereís a chance of it installing

    downloading 17025 32-bit now

    mounted and installing now
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    WinX Pro x64 IP current
       08 Dec 2017 #57

    bordi said: View Post
    If you mean a clean install of 16299 on a freshly formatted HD then download and upgrade to 17046, I’ve done that many times with the same results unfortunately.
    By clean HD, I mean one where you've started Windows 10 setup, then used the CL to enter diskpart and used the clean function to clear everything on it, all partitions, and then let Windows 10 use the clean, unformatted and unpartitioned drive to install upon. Whenever I clean install, that is exactly what I do. Do realize that if you do this, though, it remvoes all partition and formatting information from the entire drive. All partitions, not just selected ones - clean is for the whole disk.


    bordi said: View Post
    They’ve changed something with the RS-4s that’s just not compatible with this motherboard; I don’t think it’s to do with the CPU.
    Intel is saying that these DX58SO boards don’t support windows 10 at all so unless there is some sort of unofficial generic BIOS update for these boards, or MS reverts whatever they did to make these boards incompatible, I think I’ve had it.
    Intel is saying they don't support Windows 10 on the system boards - as in they won't help you at all, just tell you that it is not supported. eVGA says they won't support anything beyond Windows 7 on my board - and yet I've been using Win 10 since the Technical Preview 2 builds on this machine with very few issues. If I tried to get eVGA to support an issue I had, I would be told that 'officially' they don't support Windows 10 on this motherboard, and that I might find some help in their community forums.


    bordi said: View Post
    I’ve done nothing to it at all to it; in fact this is a completely fresh install of a freshly formatted hard disk which I only installed early this morning.
    OK, that's good to know - I'm still concerned about the multiple System partitions on your machine, almost as if your first clean install creates one, and then the Windows Insider Preview upgrade creates a second one....


    bordi said: View Post
    It seems to me that’s exactly what they have done, who knows?
    I'm still leery of saying this, though, because, for all intents and purposes, our hardware is the same. Same CPU family, same chipsets, etc. - the major difference is that yours is a n Intel manufactured board, whereas mine is an eVGA manufactured board. Hence my reluctance to say that this is it.

    Since you're trying the 32 bit install, see if that goes - if not, see if you can copy all of the stuff you need off the system drive and perform that clean and then install.

    I think you mentioned it before, but you are disconnecting the peripherals, like printers, etc. when installing, right?
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  8.    08 Dec 2017 #58

    Mounting didnít work Iíll have to do a fresh install from USB

    but I just reinstalled and got everything just right again, I donít fancy going through the same process again.

    Iíll keep it in mind for another day.
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       08 Dec 2017 #59

    You may need to run setup from within the sources folder, not from the root of the virtual dvd that mounting created.

    Ah I see. DISM Apply would work cross architecturally.
    You could create a VHD and install to that, without destroying your 16299 installation.
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  10. Posts : 1,534
    WinX Pro x64 IP current
       08 Dec 2017 #60

    bordi said: View Post
    Mounting didn’t work I’ll have to do a fresh install from USB

    but I just reinstalled and got everything just right again, I don’t fancy going through the same process again.

    I’ll keep it in mind for another day.
    One thing you could do would be to get Macrium Reflect free installed and backup your current install, so you could play, and if it didn't work, restore the backup with very little time lost.

    Worth considering, especially with all this playing around that we Insiders tend to do
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