1.    02 Jun 2015 #1
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    OK, a serious timing question about Insider builds.


    We now know July 29th will be the expected release date of Windows 10 which seems to include hard copies being available. What I am interested in is to determine the Insider timetable from this point forward.

    For instance, if someone was to have a reasonable estimation of when the RTM will go to the manufacturers, maybe we could better judge what comes next. I would assume one more Insiders Build, such as an RC would be released some time prior to the Final build going to manufacture.

    Three weeks seems like a reasonable test period for such an RC build, but it could be less. History might suggest we will see that build around July 1st, anyone have any definite information or a guess?

    Thanks.
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  2.    02 Jun 2015 #2
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    Yep that is a good question and if you had a good answer you could make $1000 unless somebody else has that date already.
    Windows 10 guess the RTM release date - $1000 prize - Windows 10 Forums
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  3.    02 Jun 2015 #3
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    It seems to me, who has been a Windows user and watcher since 3.1, that everything is strange and different now. So nothing would surprise me. We are in uncharted territory as far as I can see. I just hope the release of Windows 10 is not a mess - they seem to be really rushing things. But we'll see...
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  4.    02 Jun 2015 #4
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    10.0.134 is already being discussed as a Win10 rls - maybe this week.
    That leaves 7 weeks - I expect MS to roll in the focus and roll out more insider releases.

    The focus will be internal testing but there's great advantage to having the install, upgrade and other functions tested by 2 million end users.

    A guess only : two drops in June, two drops in July.
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  5.    03 Jun 2015 #5
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    I'm guessing we'll see RTM a couple of weeks before it's available for download. They usually like to have a little bit of time to make sure nothing new pops up after they declare the RTM. RTM will typically go out to MSDN/TechNet and Partners, and who knows.. maybe insiders will get it too. GA will hit July 29th.

    So, that means an RC, if we get something called that (this has been an odd release cycle, no Consumer Preview, for instance..), it's likely to come this month IMO.
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  6.    03 Jun 2015 #6
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    RTM is an engineering term : when development signs off on the product (Release to Manufacturing or Release to Marketing)
    basically, the product is done as far as Development is concerned.

    GA is when sales & marketing sign off on the product
    There are a lot of things that have to be done internally or externally (bundling by OEMs), some are contractual, before a product is blessed with the GA label. Documentation, support training, localization, packaging (someone has to make those pretty boxes) ... lots of things that are not software related.

    There is no difference between the RTM and GA software. There isn't a do over, no tweaking in the final weeks ... RTM is the 'golden master' for that release and then the development cycle starts over.

    But MS doesn't think that cycle describes development well enough, so we now have Current Branch instead of RTM.

    Q: "What Windows are you running?"
    A: "Windows 10"

    Q: "What release?"
    A: "Current Branch"

    "Oh, I see .... ... let me get back to you on that, OK?"

    Does this arbitrary nomenclature change really help all that much?
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  7.    03 Jun 2015 #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    There is no difference between the RTM and GA software. There isn't a do over, no tweaking in the final weeks ... RTM is the 'golden master' for that release and then the development cycle starts over.
    Yes, but there have been cases where they need to make patches available to be ready when GA goes live. And that is what they often need the time for, to let the dust settle.
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  8.    03 Jun 2015 #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Yes, but there have been cases where they need to make patches available to be ready when GA goes live. And that is what they often need the time for, to let the dust settle.
    That's in the maintenance cycle, not the development cycle. I understand what you're saying though - it depends a lot on the product for there to be any dust Many companies make no distinction between RTM and GA - they're ready to go when engineering is done.

    It's all subjective anyway (a list of feature content, a release date, insurmountable bugs, customers clamoring for the fixes....SHIP it!), so I'll close my part of the conversation with this post.
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