Windows 10: What now?

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    Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
       07 Aug 2016 #11

    I'd be very surprised if we don't see a release before the end of August.
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  2.    09 Aug 2016 #12

    thegeriatric said: View Post
    I'd be very surprised if we don't see a release before the end of August.
    It's definitely looking like we're getting very close to a new release.
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    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16199
       09 Aug 2016 #13
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    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 14393, Windows 10 Insider Fast Ring, Windows 8.1 Update, Ubuntu
       10 Aug 2016 #14

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  5.    10 Aug 2016 #15

    Hi there

    With CPU's getting ever more powerful (and drawing less power) don't you think it might be time for Ms to start to think of a 128 bit OS.

    With VR becoming more mainstream and Holographic projection not too far off we are going to need absolutely mega improvements in parts of the current OS'es to make this stuff work. A genuine multi-threading efficient OS is a pre-requisite for any of this with huge RAM needed and a fast concise accessing scheme to handle it all.

    Current OS'es - even the 64 bit one's are still based on the old IBM' s mainframe OS'es of the l 1970's (MVS etc). These are essentially designed as efficient Batch processing OS'es -- whereas for things like proper VR the whole OS needs to be designed primarily for INTERACTIVE and real time running with absolutely mega fast I/O etc.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6.    10 Aug 2016 #16

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    With CPU's getting ever more powerful (and drawing less power) don't you think it might be time for Ms to start to think of a 128 bit OS.

    With VR becoming more mainstream and Holographic projection not too far off we are going to need absolutely mega improvements in parts of the current OS'es to make this stuff work. A genuine multi-threading efficient OS is a pre-requisite for any of this.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Wouldn't that require 128bit processor too ?
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  7.    10 Aug 2016 #17

    CountMike said: View Post
    Wouldn't that require 128bit processor too ?
    Not necessarily initially -- as a VM this could be simulated in Virtual CPU's. Back in W7 days I ran VM's of 64 Bit W7 test builds on a 4 GB XP 32 bit machine.

    For POC testing (Proof of Concept) which would presumably handle all the initial design phases you don't need to have mega performance, just verification that the design *could* work. Then you work on optimising it and getting it to run on real hardware.

    I'm sure there are some 128 bit CPU prototypes around in development labs at Intel or even Qualcomm.

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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       14 Aug 2016 #18

    No to 128, yet.

    It's been possible for many years now, going back to the 60's and 70's, to compute with 128-bit technology, but even supercomputers are finding 64-bit adequate for the most demanding tasks - except graphics processors may, in part, already benefit from some 128-bit processing. Maybe cryptography too. Almost everything else finds 64-bit the "sweet spot" in terms of program size and efficiency, so there's no need to develop new standards.

    It's easy to see "Windows" programming is contracting from the Windows Vista/7 days, with fewer bells and whistles. and more efficient use of resources - such as more emphasis on fonts to create visual elements typified (excuse pun!) in the flatter visual style of Windows 10, and the release of emoji made of coloured overlaid font elements.

    In turn, more energy efficient hardware, allowing cheaper, smaller systems, but with more capability, and more power efficient energy storage, and with increased longevity is again shrinking the physical size and price of systems, led by the mobile and portable OEMs and ODMs.

    I have long predicted that the hardware eventually becomes free of charge and more ultra-portable, pervasive, and energy efficient, and that the economic model becomes solely based on the quantity of information used, transferred or stored - being equivalent to monetary micro values.

    Eventually even the individuals fall out of the system and it becomes nations that measure their GDP in information transfer terms, with individuals being a taxable commodity based on their information use, transfer and value to the state. (Even criminals will be unable to avoid this - cyber crime will become equivalent to financial crime and impossible to hide!)

    Eventually wealth will solely be measured in petabytes or exabytes, and eventually zettabytes and yottabytes - and then the new wealth will be have to go to the folk who coin (I'm on a punning roll here!) even greater value terms for information.
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  9.    14 Aug 2016 #19

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    I'm sure there are some 128 bit CPU prototypes around in development labs at Intel or even Qualcomm.
    It's unlikely that there will be any as 64 bit addresses more memory than you can even put in any computer. Until such time as an actual use case for 128 bit CPU's arrives, it's not going to happen as there is no real reason for it.

    Now, that's not to say we won't have 128 and even 256 bit data registers on CPU's, but that doesn't require an addressing change that would break or require new address types. There are already 128 and 256 bit SSE and G/APU units, they just don't have 128 bit addressing.

    Currently, even 128 bit registers must transfer data across 64 bit data busses, so it's also possible we may see 128 and 256 bit data busses in the future, but that won't make them a 128 bit or 256 bit CPU.
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