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  1.    10 Apr 2015 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I guarantee after you've accidentally clicked it 200 times you'll rethink that.
    Nonsense. I can easily click on "All Apps" with my fat finger and th....
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  2.    10 Apr 2015 #42
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    Windows 8&10

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I guarantee after you've accidentally clicked it 200 times you'll rethink that.
    If you noticed, I did not suggest where it should go, but only indicated where I don't like it.

    But the start button is a two click operation. It doesn't shutdown or restart just because you hit that button.
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  3.    10 Apr 2015 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    I just checked and there are definitely a large number of request to move the start button to the bottom. I just left my "me too" for keeping the start button on top.
    But even if there were a lot of requests, they should make viable decisions. Now the person with the fat fingers will shut off the tablet every time they want All Apps - especially on a 7" tablet.
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  4.    10 Apr 2015 #44
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    Penns Forrest
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    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3

    Rationalization ... choice.

    MS doesn't have to decide for everyone - users have to be given the choice to customize/personalize the damn GUI - PERIOD!

    Start menu, icon placement, tile (no tile, tile color) .......
    This is bordering on insanity - these are computers, right?

    Even better would be to ask the user at install time how they will use the machine (Business, Home, Gamer, Developer | Tablet or Desktop preference) and optimize the install to the way it will be used. But nooooo that's too hard.

    Yes it requires resources to create the tools to make that happen and yes it is difficult (even though all of the pieces exist). It is basically skunk-works that generates no revenue. Unless you consider customer satisfaction as the main driver of revenue.

    Lots of information in the release notes, but I'll defer further judgement until after the next drop. What's the alternative?

    Linux Mint Mate is very good and I'm looking at Android ports. I have long since dropped MS applications in favor of Open Source applications that work just as well and many provide superior function (VLC media player is a prime example). Is either of these choices viable for the mainstream user? I don't know, but if you look at the Rasberry Pi and the Mini Mate devices, yes, Linux is becoming a player. The only real drawback I see is in the games arena and there are specialized boxes that address games better than Windows.

    This is the 3rd chance MS has to make something great (OS/2-NT, merging Dos and Windows Kernel, and now) Is it the charm or three strikes?

    MS has always had an anchor around it's neck - legacy support. Win10 could have been a divorce from legacy support and developed as a new OS. How? Windows 8.2 (the original TP) could have been the last legacy release dubbed Window 9. That would have allowed Win10 to go forward with all of the new APIs and specifically dropping the older crap.

    Damn - that would put MS back in the two development path mode - oh well ... I guess you could still start your car with a crank.

    I've ranted on the feedback app and on the Insider forums - sorry to rant here - but this is becoming incredibly ludicrous even for a development release.
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  5.    10 Apr 2015 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    But even if there were a lot of requests, they should make viable decisions. Now the person with the fat fingers will shut off the tablet every time they want All Apps - especially on a 7" tablet.
    Shortly after using the feedback I got a popup asking what I thought of the Start Menu. I gave it a 4 and suggested that they make it more customizable and to give us a choice of where we want the start button.
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  6.    10 Apr 2015 #46
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    and so....

    I tried it two ways: 1 as a toolbar, and 2 just pinning the shortcut to the taskbar.
    Where it goes and what it does isn't as easy. I haven't figured out how to put it on the sysTray or to the right of the clock yet.

    I didn't like the shutdown option dialog when you use the /i parameter, so I picked Restart since I do that most often.

    The icon is in twinui.dll and is driven by a shortcut to shutdown.

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    You could also pin to Start and move where you want ... sort of.

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    Code:
    Usage: shutdown [/i | /l | /s | /r | /g | /a | /p | /h | /e | /o] [/hybrid] [/soft] [/f]
        [/m \\computer][/t xxx][/d [p|u:]xx:yy [/c "comment"]]
    
        No args    Display help. This is the same as typing /?.
        /?         Display help. This is the same as not typing any options.
        /i         Display the graphical user interface (GUI).
                   This must be the first option.
        /l         Log off. This cannot be used with /m or /d options.
        /s         Shutdown the computer.
        /r         Full shutdown and restart the computer.
        /g         Full shutdown and restart the computer. After the system is
                   rebooted, restart any registered applications.
        /a         Abort a system shutdown.
                   This can only be used during the time-out period.
        /p         Turn off the local computer with no time-out or warning.
                   Can be used with /d and /f options.
        /h         Hibernate the local computer.
                   Can be used with the /f option.
        /hybrid    Performs a shutdown of the computer and prepares it for fast startup.
                   Must be used with /s option.
        /e         Document the reason for an unexpected shutdown of a computer.
        /o         Go to the advanced boot options menu and restart the computer.
                   Must be used with /r option.
        /m \\computer Specify the target computer.
        /t xxx     Set the time-out period before shutdown to xxx seconds.
                   The valid range is 0-315360000 (10 years), with a default of 30.
                   If the timeout period is greater than 0, the /f parameter is
                   implied.
        /c "comment" Comment on the reason for the restart or shutdown.
                   Maximum of 512 characters allowed.
        /f         Force running applications to close without forewarning users.
                   The /f parameter is implied when a value greater than 0 is
                   specified for the /t parameter.
        /d [p|u:]xx:yy  Provide the reason for the restart or shutdown.
                   p indicates that the restart or shutdown is planned.
                   u indicates that the reason is user defined.
                   If neither p nor u is specified the restart or shutdown is
                   unplanned.
                   xx is the major reason number (positive integer less than 256).
                   yy is the minor reason number (positive integer less than 65536).
    
    Reasons on this computer:
    (E = Expected U = Unexpected P = planned, C = customer defined)
    Type    Major   Minor   Title
    
     U      0       0       Other (Unplanned)
    E       0       0       Other (Unplanned)
    E P     0       0       Other (Planned)
     U      0       5       Other Failure: System Unresponsive
    E       1       1       Hardware: Maintenance (Unplanned)
    E P     1       1       Hardware: Maintenance (Planned)
    E       1       2       Hardware: Installation (Unplanned)
    E P     1       2       Hardware: Installation (Planned)
    E       2       2       Operating System: Recovery (Unplanned)
    E P     2       2       Operating System: Recovery (Planned)
      P     2       3       Operating System: Upgrade (Planned)
    E       2       4       Operating System: Reconfiguration (Unplanned)
    E P     2       4       Operating System: Reconfiguration (Planned)
      P     2       16      Operating System: Service pack (Planned)
            2       17      Operating System: Hot fix (Unplanned)
      P     2       17      Operating System: Hot fix (Planned)
            2       18      Operating System: Security fix (Unplanned)
      P     2       18      Operating System: Security fix (Planned)
    E       4       1       Application: Maintenance (Unplanned)
    E P     4       1       Application: Maintenance (Planned)
    E P     4       2       Application: Installation (Planned)
    E       4       5       Application: Unresponsive
    E       4       6       Application: Unstable
     U      5       15      System Failure: Stop error
     U      5       19      Security issue (Unplanned)
    E       5       19      Security issue (Unplanned)
    E P     5       19      Security issue (Planned)
    E       5       20      Loss of network connectivity (Unplanned)
     U      6       11      Power Failure: Cord Unplugged
     U      6       12      Power Failure: Environment
      P     7       0       Legacy API shutdown
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  7.    10 Apr 2015 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck38 View Post
    Have you all noticed that when you click on the power icon it doesn't turn your PC off. It gives you three options which you can choose from. Shut down, Restart, or Sleep. I'm sure I said them out of order, but that's beside the point.

    What I'm saying is that accidentally clicking the icon will not power down your PC. Unless you "accidentally" click on Shut down.
    I don't understand why we can't have the Power button work the same way it did in W7 (and in the same location).

    I have my Power button set to "Sleep" on my real PC and set to either "Restart" or "Shut Down" on my VMs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    Shortly after using the feedback I got a popup asking what I thought of the Start Menu. I gave it a 4 and suggested that they make it more customizable and to give us a choice of where we want the start button.
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  8.    11 Apr 2015 #48
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    Nashville, TN
    Posts : 3,143
    Windows 10 Pro

    I guess people thought it was too confusing... There were a number of UI "Experts" that criticized them for that design.
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