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  1.    05 Nov 2014 #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    You can use install windows 10 on a separate partition by itself. If you are worried about loosing data.
    I have done quite a few multiboot systems of MBR type. I had a 486 machine with 2 physical drives, one SCSI the other EIDE, with Dos, Windows, OS/2 and a couple of flavors of Linux, all quite stable using nested boot managers.

    But I want to learn more about GPT and also have multiple computers before I take the plunge with it. I need my Laptop too much to justify experimentation other than with relatively safe VMs. The point of VMs is largely OS and/or application testing btw.

    I've used several different imaging programs. Right now I back up my system with Macrium and that's fine. But recovery is a hell of a lot easier if you have one or more machines with internet access handy. Installing on the metal can wait until then.
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  2.    05 Nov 2014 #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    You can use install windows 10 on a separate partition by itself. If you are worried about loosing data.
    I have done quite a few multiboot systems of MBR type. I had a 486 machine with 2 physical drives, one SCSI the other EIDE, with Dos, Windows, OS/2 and a couple of flavors of Linux, all quite stable using nested boot managers.

    But I want to learn more about GPT and also have multiple computers before I take the plunge with it. I need my Laptop too much to justify experimentation other than with relatively safe VMs. The point of VMs is largely OS and/or application testing btw.

    I've used several different imaging programs. Right now I back up my system with Macrium and that's fine. But recovery is a hell of a lot easier if you have one or more machines with internet access handy. Installing on the metal can wait until then.

    Do you know if Macrium can back up & restore GPT using the image backup & image restore feature?

    I read MiniTool Partition Wizard works well with GPT but I have not tried it. Has anyone tried that?
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  3.    05 Nov 2014 #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
    There is no audio on Windows Hyper V Windows at all, that is why I went back to VMWare which is far superior in every way and is still free for home use.
    That's completely untrue. Audio works just fine if you're using an Enhanced session, because it uses Remote desktop which has always had audio pass through.
    OK I stand corrected. I was never able to sort it out about six months ago so assumed it was not supported. Also along the way have spent good money on VMWare Workstation and feel it is superior. Is there a tutorial anywhere on how to get a Creative soundcard working?
    Not sure this will fix your problem. You could go to windows catalog sites & search for your sound driver. When I tried to find graphic drivers for my 32 bit windows 7 & windows 10 32 bit preview, I had to download a few of them to try. I had to manually install them. I extracted the files from the cabs. One tip, if you use a 64 bit os, use the AMD64 otherwise use the X86 cabs. It took me awhile to find the correct one, after a few days windows update showed a new graphic driver to download and it worked. At first windows update, it might show you a sound driver that may not install. Sorry about my grammar
    There is no problem to fix.......
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  4.    05 Nov 2014 #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I realize this is beta
    I specifically made it a point to place that statement in my OP to make it understood that I understand it’s a beta, yet you remind me not to forget? I know exactly what it is, what’s been added, what’s been left out, what’s set as default, what’s been changed, what’s not turned on, and how to go about installing it. I can pretty much forecast what the “whole experience” will turn out to be come next Spring. The general "template" has been set. There will only be minor changes and fixes.

    …….aimed at business and corporate users.
    I get this feeling it’s aimed at IT pros and especially the Tech press which have a great deal of influence of what business ought to use, then thereafter what the commoner uses. Being a computer novice retired from a construction business and basically just joined in on tech forums, I’m quite surprised just how much influence the press and IT have on OS use and success. I mean what other industries get so much attention other than Hollywood, Finance, Politics, Crime, Sports, and Tech? Isn’t that basically the subjects rendered and we read on a daily basis in the news? All that news has influence in our daily lives, especially how they present the news. And, no. Not all of it is true and I dare say most is biased to sway the reader to think a particular way.

    The modern desktop has been deprecated for this release. Expect to see what you are interested in the consumer preview. This is one half of the experience.
    Well, there is or was no “modern desktop”, but what makes you so sure on this one? Usually it will follow out to the original “template” put forth out of the box for final release. The traditional Start Menu had been deprecated and the traditional desktop played second fiddle to the added Start and Apps Screens in 8 Preview with a few minor changes along the way. 8.1 basically let the user decide who played second fiddle, but continued to leave out the Start Menu to use the Apps screen, desktop menus, or Taskbar.

    Now in TTP we’ve switched over to the “other fiddle” playing first with an added new Start Menu. Modern Store apps now open on the traditional desktop. They may, but I highly doubt that they will change them to open on their own screen. I can see a day when they release the option to boot to the Start Screen, but the Store apps will continue to open on the desktop. The writing is on the wall. This is nothing but a marketing ploy to get “desktop traditionalists” to try or use more Store apps and/or attempt introduce and familiarize the “Modern way”. The new “Modern Start Menu” is basically a mini combination of the Start and Apps screen, which I think is another ploy. Whether those tactics work remains to be seen.

    While I’m at it there’s another reason I noticed about the Start Menu that I remembered I didn’t like besides being so small. Upon boot I go into the menu to look for and to open an item. When I go into the menu again it remains at the same place I found my last item, so now I have to remember where I was at then decide to paddle back or forward to look for another item. Distracting as all hell and breaks any kind of rhythm one has working along > Not very ergonomic. With the start Screen upon returning it’s at least at the beginning and I don’t have to think about it. Do this repeatedly day in and day out, session after session, and tell me which one is better so far as that’s concerned.

    “Consumer preview? Really?! Is this what you think of me and others that used 8.x are? Just “consumers”? I’m here to tell you that although I don’t know or even won’t get know as much technical knowledge as a schooled IT pro, for the last 20 years I’ve been using a computer for business (and consuming) that I do know ergonomics of the machine UI. I pride myself in mastering the keyboard with key combos, proficient in MS Office suite, and know many other programs to have 5, 6, and sometimes 10 open all in the same session.

    Microsoft that developed many an OS which eventually developed Windows 7, the most popular and acclaimed OS of all time that "runs the world economy" is all of a sudden wrong with the release of 8.x? Granted, I'll give you the Ballmer/Sinofsky mistake of 8 rushing it out the door, but not 8.1. Believe it or not, there is another UI that is actually more simplistic for navigating to perform tasks even with a keyboard and mouse when given a fair chance. Furthermore all of a sudden the IT industry knows more about software ergonomics than a brilliant, creative company like Microsoft? I don't think so.

    Now it seems they have to back peddle to keep those costumers that are greatly influenced by the tech press and IT that the companies hire, that, quite frankly, don't understand the new way. Forget me and my opinion. The two most brilliant professionals that are members of these forums get it and that's all I need for my personal conformation.

    Enjoy your new Start Menu, multiple desktops, and all that comes along with 10 upon the end release. At this point I can see it isn't going to be for me. I'll move onward to use and learn 10 and to speak my say in the feedback app. I may change my mind, but I doubt it. So far 8.1 is looking better to me with each new 10 build.

    Edit:

    I'm basically waiting around for them to turn on booting to Start Screen to see how that goes. They definitely have to fix the app snapping on the desktop. I may tolerate the desktop for it's just a screen. If and when they release Office in the Modern I'll really be happy. And as lparsons21 stated, the Modern IE is a must.
    Consumer Preview, Microsoft's words not mine. I would call it a beta. Actually I would find it highly amusing if they threw the Windows 8 Metro crowd under the bus with Windows 10 like they did the rest of us with Windows 8 but they won't. They need modern apps to force feed and control what you can buy. It is not going to work with me and IF I "upgrade" to Windows 10 it will be a desktop mode without the Metro stuff. Otherwise I have 5 years left on 7 and can wait till a later version comes out. Remember never buy version one of anything.
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  5.    05 Nov 2014 #65
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    Indianatone,

    I am a little confused on the consumer preview that suppose to be coming out in January. I thought the Enterprise Edition was for It pros & large companies.

    I thought I was using the consumer preview but the pro edition (I am no longer using windows 10) belarc advisor called it windows 9 professional. Microsoft says if you know how to restore, partition and back up your hard drive feel free to test it out if possible do it on another computer.
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  6.    05 Nov 2014 #66

    I assume (haven't seen anything official) that the development cycle is akin to the Vista Community Technology Preview - which was also for "developers, IT professionals, and Windows enthusiasts (as) an opportunity to review and test" - they just changed the name to Technical instead.

    Microsoft Windows Vista December Community Technology Preview: December Community Technology Preview Fact Sheet

    NB: the Belarc reference to Windows 9 is a development error equating an assumed name to the build string.
    (To retrieve the correct version one has to use the registry or WMI - strange that they don't.)
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  7.    05 Nov 2014 #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Indianatone,

    I am a little confused on the consumer preview that suppose to be coming out in January. I thought the Enterprise Edition was for It pros & large companies.

    I thought I was using the consumer preview but the pro edition (I am no longer using windows 10) belarc advisor called it windows 9 professional. Microsoft says if you know how to restore, partition and back up your hard drive feel free to test it out if possible do it on another computer.
    The version of 10 out right now 9841/9860 is aimed squarely at IT Pros, power users, enthusiast users and the plain techy geeks. The version is missing consumer tools and "toys" (for want of a better word). Media centre, the touch interface, Cortana etc. see here:

    Microsoft opens up about more Windows 10 preview features

    The version coming out in Jan 2015 will be feature rich and far more polished but still a long way from completed.
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  8.    05 Nov 2014 #68
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    Indianatone.

    I guess it boils down to what does Microsoft consider consumer vs pro vs enterprise.

    I still think the pro should included what consumers have. Enterprise can be more restricted because they need to limit access.

    Windows to go would be nice feature for everyone not just enterprise.

    I might reconsider trying the consumer preview if it comes out in January or sooner and if I have the time
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  9.    05 Nov 2014 #69
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    If you read the business/enterprise stuff about Win10, you'll get a whole different perspective on where this is headed.

    In short, you're getting early access and Microsoft will use the feedback from that to develop it further. IMO - I'd say that this is late alpha software - sorta like the M3 (Milestone) builds in previous versions.
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  10.    05 Nov 2014 #70

    Quote Originally Posted by usasma View Post
    If you read the business/enterprise stuff about Win10, you'll get a whole different perspective on where this is headed.

    In short, you're getting early access and Microsoft will use the feedback from that to develop it further. IMO - I'd say that this is late alpha software - sorta like the M3 (Milestone) builds in previous versions.
    That was what the link I posted alluded to (that page has now been removed... weird!) - here's another:
    Microsoft Windows Vista December Community Technology Preview: December Community Technology Preview Fact Sheet

    NB: Evolving development - i.e open beta.
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