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  1.    04 Nov 2014 #51
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    I'm getting confused.
    Are we testing W-10 or VM of some kind?

    If what ever Virtual programs one uses don't work with W-10 report it in Feedback to Microsoft and try something else.

    At the end of all this feedback and testing W-10 does not come to the standards one needs; just don't buy it.
    I can stay with W-7 with no problems until something comes along that I want to use.
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  2.    04 Nov 2014 #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    ... yet you remind me not to forget
    .....
    ...Isn’t that basically the subjects rendered and we read on a daily basis in the news? All that news has influence in our daily lives, especially how they present the news.
    .....
    ...
    “Consumer preview? Really?! Is this what you think of me and others that used 8.x are? Just “consumers”?
    .....
    ....The two most brilliant professionals that are members of these forums get it and that's all I need for my personal conformation.
    .....
    ...I'm basically waiting around for them to turn on booting to Start Screen to see how that goes.
    Memory can fail and need replacement, or it can act erratically and only selectively return data. Sometimes we elders need to be reminded

    Someone is paying attention, and yet ... you still call it news

    Consumer preview -> Nah, that's just what MS used to refer to pre-releases. Changing the word Consumer to Tech makes us feel 'mo impotent' - actually the TP is an earlier rls and has a faster rls schedule.

    Garsh, thanks - you're pretty swell too - who's the other brilliant professional person?

    Booting to the Start Screen is what got MS in trouble with Win8 - I don't want to return to the "I want my maypo...er start menu" days. In seriousness, MS is working on figuring out the device and setting the options (desktop v Touchscreen Modern). That is a good step, but there are users who want a hybrid solution - humans are still smarter than machines - let us decide.

    Hope you enjoy reading this post as much I enjoyed writing it. All in good fun.

    Bill
    .
    LOL! Perhaps I am taking it too seriously at this point in time. I have a feeling this is going to be a role reversal of 7F members that joined 8F that complained about 8 forcing them to use the new Modern UI. Now I get to complain in 10F that I'm being forced to use the desktop.

    All in all I'm reminded that "As in war, the victor only seems to win".

    Speaking of rls (assuming that's jargon for releases) > After doing some poking around I found this via PC settings. What's with this "Choose how fast you'd like to get preview builds?" Well, I set it to high. I want the next build ASAP. Do they have some kind of bug-o-meter and only release builds with a certain amount of bugs?

    While I'm here > The Start Menu is liken to me of people that collect antiques > Most buy them to have, but don't use them.

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  3.    04 Nov 2014 #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    I'm getting confused.
    Are we testing W-10 or VM of some kind?

    If what ever Virtual programs one uses don't work with W-10 report it in Feedback to Microsoft and try something else.

    At the end of all this feedback and testing W-10 does not come to the standards one needs; just don't buy it.
    I can stay with W-7 with no problems until something comes along that I want to use.
    I think what is confused or ignored is that build 9841 works on my setup and build 9860 does not. Those who keep pointing to other factors seem keen on ignoring the salient point. At this point I'm done with it until there's a new build to play with since I cannot do anything with this one.

    Guess I'll Play with Mint 17 Mate while I'm waiting.
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  4.    04 Nov 2014 #54
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    Make sure you inform Microsoft using Feedback so they know the problem.
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  5.    04 Nov 2014 #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
    Guess I'll Play with Mint 17 Mate while I'm waiting.
    Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit) is nice.

    I have only experienced a couple of minor issues:

    • Compositing is dodgy on my PC (I have it turned off)
    • I can't find a theme I really like (despite trying half a dozen - the default theme is too bright for me)


    As I've posted previously, I have VMware Player installed in LM 17 and that is what I'm using to test W10 TP.

    My copy of VMware Workstation (on W7) is too old to install W10 (or the W8 series for that matter).
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  6.    04 Nov 2014 #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    .....
    Speaking of rls (assuming that's jargon for releases) > After doing some poking around I found this via PC settings. What's with this "Choose how fast you'd like to get preview builds?" Well, I set it to high. I want the next build ASAP. Do they have some kind of bug-o-meter and only release builds with a certain amount of bugs?
    Yes rls=release
    Fast / Slow - sort of a big-o-meter, but the other way around. You want more bugs, get on the fast track, fewer bugs, take the slow track.

    MS reefers to them as rings: We're rolling out our first new build to the Windows Insider Program


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    I stayed on the slow track, they're not paying me enough to do more extensive testing.
    Wait, come to think of it, they're not paying me at all
    Maybe MS will offer insider's a low price on the RTM - I'd buy a few licenses if they allowed that.

    This really shouldn't be that hard for MS - make the GUI a choice at install time and allow the user to configure the system the way the prefer. Some technical restrictions will undoubtedly contrain some customization. The issue really revolves around the desktop - tablet and phone users don't care if there's a start menu or how the Modern apps work on the desktop - there is no desktop for them.

    I prefer the desktop and dabble on the modern side.
    I think the Start Screen is more valuable than the Start Menu.
    I don't care if Modern apps work in desktop Windows
    For the most part the Modern and Desktop GUI's and apps are redundant.
    I have no use for live tiles
    Search was 'different' in Win7 ... search is broken in Win10

    Oops, got a little too serious there

    me, me, me, me, me - it's all about what I want

    See ya on the funway,

    Bill
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  7.    04 Nov 2014 #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
    There's no way I'm updating to 8.1. The downside is if the update goes weird I'm hosed. I have no other means to download a driver or whatever to fix problems. The upside is pretty much nothing. I'd be more likely to take a risk to put W7 on than to update to a drab phone friendly OS.

    VMWare Player is 6.04. That's as up to date as there is unless a new one came out today.

    Edit: Again, I don't get the point of "evaluating" if problems are wished away. Let's just have press releases instead then.

    You can use install windows 10 on a separate partition by itself. If you are worried about loosing data. I been have been using Macrium image backup to usb hard drive. Tip use Macrium from windows 7. If you are using a preinstalled system, the Oem's usually have utilities to create restore cd/dvds. Also, make sure you create a Macrium USB flash drive boot disk do this from windows 7. Remember, when restoring make sure you boot from the USB flash drive, not the usb hard drive.

    If I understand the way VM works, it is not the correct way to test out windows 10 preview but I could be wrong. Just my opinion.
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  8.    05 Nov 2014 #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    If I understand the way VM works, it is not the correct way to test out windows 10 preview but I could be wrong. Just my opinion.
    It has to work in VMs and on Real machines.
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  9.    05 Nov 2014 #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    Make sure you inform Microsoft using Feedback so they know the problem.
    It kind of looks tied to the build it's in? If I can't run anything I can't really get to it. I think the main issue is I cannot use the system long enough to defrag it, then defrag from VMWare disk utilities, then defrag the host drive. After installing everyhing is cluttered and runs like crap. But if you can't even clean it up, it's hosed.

    I'll see what happens on next build.
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  10.    05 Nov 2014 #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    Thanks for that, Bill, but that looks too simple. Wouldn't it pan out more like this?

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    BTW, I think you have a typo there.
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