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  1. Joined : Oct 2013
    North West Indianapolis, Indiana
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    Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit and VM
       02 Nov 2014 #21

    HG I know you like the Windows 8.1 Modern experience but first and foremost do not forget this is a technical preview aimed at business and corporate users. The modern desktop has been deprecated for this release. Expect to see what you are interested in the consumer preview. This is one half of the experience.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
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    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       02 Nov 2014 #22

    Post#1-well said Hippsie

    This is an interesting exercise. The first TP rls worked best for me overall, probably because it was originally slated as an 8.1 update, changed to be Win9 and finally settled on a Win10 name. What I mean by that is the first release was more of a one off than a new version.

    9841 broke some things, and 9860 broke a lot more. This is the nature of preview releases ... it's not even an alpha really.

    The ESD update to 9860 tested yet another new thing MS wants to do - I think we're doing MS and ourselves a disservice by 'fixing' this with a DIY .iso (I get it though - we are geeks)

    A lot of this is experimental - some of this is patch works (phone/tablet/desktop/xbox) - a lot of it needs careful consideration for the intended audience. MS, in my opinion, is trying to wrench all of it into one package and appease everyone on all devices - that won't work and I've fed them the suggestion to keep Modern/Desktop/Phone/Xbox separate entities.

    My Opinions:

    The Start menu with a mini start screen is the wrong approach
    - just give the start menu for those who want that tiny menu.

    The Search using a Modern Bing Desktop app is the wrong approach

    - give users granularity, search scopes and configuration options (I might want to use Google app or Google search instead of Bing ... heaven forbid!)

    - desktop users could care less about Trending now. Oh and if MS insists on Trending now - at least taek me to the trending now article, not another search results on Bing - sheesh how amnay clicks does it take to get the information anyways

    - desktop users want to search their machines using a desktop search (that's why it's called desktop )

    - desktop users will search the web using a browser or a local search service if given the choice in search scope. I'd like to search my machine and the web sometimes in one task, but mostly I'm looking for stuff on my machine. A search on my machine probably wouldn't find Broadcom xyz driver - it might but I doubt the other member wants my driver.

    Making Modern apps behaving like desktop apps is the wrong approach
    - why would you need a modern app if it behaves the same way as a desktop app?
    - note: I do like that Modern apps actually close instead of suspend when you click the X though.

    Making users sign in to a MS account for every modern app sucks. Sure some features are only supported if you're signed in, but make the user sign in if they try to use those features.
    - The games solitaire and mahjong need to sign in - really? For points? Awards? Who cares (I'm sure some people do) - I just want to waste some time. MS might be changing this - notice those two games were not included in Bld 9860.

    - I want to use an app without having to change my account on my machine (I know I can sign in to apps separately ... sign into apps???? Damn cloud!). I'm tired of typing in the password when Windows forces me to enter a 'new' password switching back to my local account. I have to look into assigned accounts - so this might be just a rant without knowing

    I admit that I'm not fully up to speed on the Modern side and find some of the Modern apps have cool features (Explorer has a reader button).

    I do like the flat clean look of Modern (most of my machines have very little eye candy anyway).

    The Start Screen needs a bit more organization (placement and grouping of tiles).

    Live tiles belong on the Start Screen, not the desktop. I turn all of them off (a single switch would be better) - they're like power vampires, sucking up some bandwidth just to tell you what time it is or if it's raining.

    So how do I like it? It's a test platform, not much to like or dislike - things will change.
    We should remember that 15 March is the end of the preview period, I don't know how many pre-RTM releases will follow. The point I'm trying to make is that it takes time to develop and test changes, so 15 Feb is probably the last opportunity to get something changed. As MS gets closer to the RTM, they'll be more conservative in making changes. Mission critical (Windows just doesn't work) and big players needs will get addressed. Maybe a few sall and easy changes will sneak in.

    Every change has to be prioritized, scheduled, developed, tested, and documented.

    It's November now - don't wait to provide feedback.


    Ok, now I have to report that YouTube videos throw an unexpected error when running from YouTube, but play fine when embedded. Anyone else running a Hyper-V Win10 9860 bld have issues with YouTube? I just noticed that my audio is now turned off (that's happened before and might be VM related - not sure on that.

    Bill
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  3. Joined : Oct 2013
    North West Indianapolis, Indiana
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    Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit and VM
       02 Nov 2014 #23

    Just finished an update from a year old Windows 8 Virtual Machine to 10. Decided to go thru 8. 1 and then to 10 9860. First of all I had to download 90+ updates, then the update thru the store failed so I loaded in a Windows 8.1 ISO and updated that until current. I have lost my activation along the way and decided as I was going to ten not to worry about that. I then loaded up the Windows 9860 ISO and updated from that. When I selected the start screen in classic shell it now selects the MS Start menu. This has none of the metro apps in it, however if I middle click the mouse I get the standard 10 menu with apps. So I have 3 different types of start menu. I have just left this VM alone from 8 so I should uninstall classic shell to be fair at least for now. I am not sure the idea of updating from 8 to 10 via 8.1 is such a good idea, but for non tech types this is what they may have to do, unless M$ allows you to upgrade from 8 to 10 which would be so much easier. This update took about 6 hours whilst it downloaded umpteen updates before it declined to do the upgrade from the store. The icons for the desktop are just "white boxes". All that downloading and updating for a broken system.......bah humbug Edit, the start menu with no apps went away once I got the start menu with apps up, still looking for my icons, going to change the theme as I had the moon theme from M$.

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    Ok got rid of the corrupted icons by uninstalling Classic Shell and rebooting, changing the M$ theme made no difference. OK that was not the best way to upgrade but it worked.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
    North West Indianapolis, Indiana
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    Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit and VM
       02 Nov 2014 #24

    Slartybart said: View Post
    Anyone else running a Hyper-V Windows 10 9860 bld have issues with YouTube? I just noticed that my audio is now turned off (that's happened before and might be VM related - not sure on that.
    .
    There is no audio on Windows Hyper V Windows at all, that is why I went back to VMWare which is far superior in every way and is still free for home use.
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  5. Joined : Sep 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro
       02 Nov 2014 #25

    Indianatone said: View Post
    There is no audio on Windows Hyper V Windows at all, that is why I went back to VMWare which is far superior in every way and is still free for home use.
    That's completely untrue. Audio works just fine if you're using an Enhanced session, because it uses Remote desktop which has always had audio pass through.
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  6.    02 Nov 2014 #26

    Mystere said: View Post
    Indianatone said: View Post
    There is no audio on Windows Hyper V Windows at all, that is why I went back to VMWare which is far superior in every way and is still free for home use.
    That's completely untrue. Audio works just fine if you're using an Enhanced session, because it uses Remote desktop which has always had audio pass through.
    Hi there

    Agreed -- HYPER-V might not be to everyone's taste but Audio isn't a problem. You do have to fiddle a bit if you want to install applications though on the VM if using RDP - however they can easily be installed using the "Local Console".

    The disadvantage to me is that sharing is a bit strange -- using RDP you can access local (Host) drives on the VM but if you say just want to share specific folders from the Host there doesn't seem to be a way to do this in HYPER-V -- there probably is but I haven't found it yet.

    The other drawback is that your VM will only run on a Windows 8 or Windows 10 HOST.

    With VMware the SAME VM can run on any version of Windows OR LINUX without change. Note that a 64 bit GUEST can even run on a HOST 32 BIT OS such as XP provided your CPU has the INTEL VT feature available (and on a 32 Bit HOST total RAM of GUEST + HOST must be less than 4GB unless the Host is using PAE).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. Joined : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
    Posts : 1,394
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       02 Nov 2014 #27

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    I've thought hard on this. How about trying scannow and other advanced tools to attempt to fix it before going through the time and effort of ISO? MS won't know how to fix upgrades unless they have data to do so, so ISOs are not helping in that respect. On the other hand, perhaps they are necessary in some cases, especially in enterprise.
    Some people have reported that "sfc" doesn't seem to work properly for them.
    https://www.tenforums.com/general-dis...tml#post151984
    https://www.tenforums.com/general-dis...tml#post153336

    On my PC:
    • It only takes ~13 minutes to install W10 from the ISO
    • In W7, restoring a Reflect backup image only takes ~8 minutes


    Trying to track down the problem and then finding the correct fix usually takes a lot longer (for me anyway).
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    North West Indianapolis, Indiana
    Posts : 446
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit and VM
       02 Nov 2014 #28

    Mystere said: View Post
    Indianatone said: View Post
    There is no audio on Windows Hyper V Windows at all, that is why I went back to VMWare which is far superior in every way and is still free for home use.
    That's completely untrue. Audio works just fine if you're using an Enhanced session, because it uses Remote desktop which has always had audio pass through.
    OK I stand corrected. I was never able to sort it out about six months ago so assumed it was not supported. Also along the way have spent good money on VMWare Workstation and feel it is superior. Is there a tutorial anywhere on how to get a Creative soundcard working?
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  9. Joined : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
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       03 Nov 2014 #29

    Indianatone said: View Post
    Slartybart said: View Post
    Anyone else running a Hyper-V Windows 10 9860 bld have issues with YouTube? I just noticed that my audio is now turned off (that's happened before and might be VM related - not sure on that.
    .
    There is no audio on Windows Hyper V Windows at all, that is why I went back to VMWare which is far superior in every way and is still free for home use.
    I've watched videos with sound on a few sites, this is a new issue which I couldn't be certain of the cause (Hyper-V, Bld9860, YouTube). The msg "An unexpected error has occurred, please try again later appears where the video should and a short while later, my audio turns off. When I reported feedback, the issue was only on a Youtube page video, the embedded video had not issue, but then..... I tried playing the RS video I put in the post above and the same thing happened.

    Anyway, audio has not been a consistent issue for my Hyper-V machines, it does turn off though. I've also had low memory issues - might be related ??? I'm just beginning to play with VMs, so there's no deep knowledge, just a lot of trial and error.

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    I've thought hard on this. How about trying scannow and other advanced tools to attempt to fix it before going through the time and effort of ISO? MS won't know how to fix upgrades unless they have data to do so, so ISOs are not helping in that respect. On the other hand, perhaps they are necessary in some cases, especially in enterprise.
    Some people have reported that "sfc" doesn't seem to work properly for them.
    https://www.tenforums.com/general-dis...tml#post151984
    https://www.tenforums.com/general-dis...tml#post153336

    On my PC:
    • It only takes ~13 minutes to install W10 from the ISO
    • In W7, restoring a Reflect backup image only takes ~8 minutes


    Trying to track down the problem and then finding the correct fix usually takes a lot longer (for me anyway).
    SFC works fine in the Tech Previews - MS turned off language support (English only) and SFC reports a whole bunch of 'errors' related to language and fonts.

    Trying to track down the problem and finding the correct fix ALWAYS takes a lot longer

    All of the 'normal' things we do while running the Tech Preview can only improve the final release. Sure, restoring a backup seems like cheating, but it does test the various backup & restore methods used. If an issue does come up (and they will) it might be a good idea to let MS pick up the telemetry information. I'm not sure how to force this (WER? Feedback app? Overnight sweep?)

    Bill
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  10. Joined : Sep 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro
       03 Nov 2014 #30

    Indianatone said: View Post
    OK I stand corrected. I was never able to sort it out about six months ago so assumed it was not supported. Also along the way have spent good money on VMWare Workstation and feel it is superior. Is there a tutorial anywhere on how to get a Creative soundcard working?
    I'm confused... you said you "went back to VMware" and that "it's free for home use", so why are you referring to spending good money on it? And why are you now saying you didn't "go back" to it?

    Regardless, you don't have to "get it working" with any specific sound card. If the sound card works on your host, it works in the guest because the guest uses a virtual audio driver. If your sound card is working, then it will work for your guests as well, so long as you enable guest services (in the settings, Integration Services) and use an Enhanced session (View -> Enhanced Session in the menus of the Hyper-V Client Viewer).
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