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  1.    13 Oct 2015 #1
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    Keep Your Hands Off My Defaults Microsoft!


    Why does Microsoft think they're helping us out by changing our defaults when we upgrade/update!?!

    I have my default browser set at Firefox. Why is it that every time there's an update, Microsoft changes my default to Edge? I can see the reasoning behind making Edge the default if I'm clean installing, but when I update? Sheesh!

    And now, it seems my default printer won't stay stuck as my default. It took me awhile to figure out why that was, but now I've learned that Microsoft wants to make the last printer I used my default printer! I have three printers, each used for a specific project. When I print a letter to the Editor, I don't want to use the HP wide format printer with 11 x 17 ledger paper even if it was the last printer I used. That particular printer is used for large spreadsheets! Sheesh! By the same token, if I want to print a monotone document, I don't want or need to use my Brother inkjet printer; the Brother laser monotone printer will do just fine!

    Gimme a break, Microsoft! There is such a thing as being so helpful that you're totally intrusive!
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  2.    13 Oct 2015 #2
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    Hello Wynona,

    This is a new feature added to build 10565 that is turned on by default.

    Luckily, you can turn this on or off as you like using the tutorial below.

    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2...t-printer.html
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  3.    13 Oct 2015 #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Hello Wynona,

    This is a new feature added to build 10565 that is turned on by default.

    Luckily, you can turn this on or off as you like using the tutorial below.

    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2...t-printer.html
    Thanks, Shawn. Thing is, how many average Joes will understand how to turn it off?
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  4.    13 Oct 2015 #4
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    I agree. They shouldn't be turning the new printer feature on by default.It should be a new feature that might be introduced to the user after the upgrade, allowing the user to make a decision. And why oh why do they mess with the default browser??? UGH!
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  5.    13 Oct 2015 #5
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    You're welcome Wynona.

    That's what we're for to help show folks how to.
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  6.    18 Oct 2015 #6
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    @Brink just to get your attention and check if this is accurate.

    @Wynona just to let you know there may be good reason for the new setting.

    Some are ignorant to the fact that "Microsoft Print To PDF" and "Microsoft Print To XPS" are actually "Print to file" WinRT programs. Some think they are actual printers. "Microsoft Print To XPS" was introduced in Windows 8. Not sure if "Microsoft Print To PDF" is in 8/8.1 for I'm in my 10 partition.

    Stumbled on this thread > Edge: Force Download PDF Files, or Open in Reader? - Windows 10 Forums tonight and tried the "Microsoft Print To PDF" option in Edge for the first time only to find that it saved the file in my Documents folder, but with 0 bytes, which I noticed after attempting to open and thought that rather odd. When attempting to open it, an Edge tab opened, but obviously warned that it could not open the file.

    After searching the Net I found one solution for RTM 10240 was that the "Microsoft Print To PDF" has to be set to default in order for Edge to save it properly to the Documents folder. I did that and it worked fine. Then I set the "When turned on, the default printer the last printer you used" option back on, used some other printers a few times, in which each printer changed to default, then tried the "Microsoft Print To PDF" printer in Edge and that worked fine saving it properly.

    Just speculating, but I think there must be some conflict between using Win32 and using WinRT within the system so far as using printers go so that's why the new setting.
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  7.    18 Oct 2015 #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    @Brink just to get your attention and check if this is accurate.

    @Wynona just to let you know there may be good reason for the new setting.
    There is never a good reason to change my defaults. Never. I have my system set up the way I want and that's that.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Some are ignorant to the fact that "Microsoft Print To PDF" and "Microsoft Print To XPS" are actually "Print to file" WinRT programs. Some think they are actual printers. "Microsoft Print To XPS" was introduced in Windows 8. Not sure if "Microsoft Print To PDF" is in 8/8.1 for I'm in my 10 partition.
    If I'm not mistaken, Print to PDF is also in Windows 7, although it may have been put there by Nuance's PDF viewer.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Stumbled on this thread > Edge: Force Download PDF Files, or Open in Reader? - Windows 10 Forums tonight and tried the "Microsoft Print To PDF" option in Edge for the first time only to find that it saved the file in my Documents folder, but with 0 bytes, which I noticed after attempting to open and thought that rather odd. When attempting to open it, an Edge tab opened, but obviously warned that it could not open the file.
    There is all kinds of misinformation/speculation in that thread; as one person said, though, all one has to do is to make your PDF viewer the default, which is correct. One other person said he doesn't want to read PDFs in his browser, but a large number of document downloads are in PDF and those, of necessity, are contained in the default browser. Otherwise, PDFs don't belong in my browser. Especially not in Edge at this point in time.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    After searching the Net I found one solution for RTM 10240 was that the "Microsoft Print To PDF" has to be set to default in order for Edge to save it properly to the Documents folder. I did that and it worked fine. Then I set the "When turned on, the default printer the last printer you used" option back on, used some other printers a few times, in which each printer changed to default, then tried the "Microsoft Print To PDF" printer in Edge and that worked fine saving it properly.
    As I said in the beginning, if I used my HP wide format printer to print an 11 x 17 spreadsheet and then later in the day wanted to print a letter asking for a quote, forgot I'd used the wide format printer . . . you get the idea, I'm sure . . . I not only wasted my time having to go back and change the printer, but I wasted several sheets of very expensive 11 x 17 paper. Now, on the other paw, if I know that my Brother Laser printer is my default, then it's only natural that I change to the HP wide format printer when printing my gigantic spreadsheet.

    So, no, there's no valid reason to change my default printer, be it print to a real printer, XMS or PDF.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Just speculating, but I think there must be some conflict between using Win32 and using WinRT within the system so far as using printers go so that's why the new setting.
    Be that as it may, there's no reason to make such a drastic change for the vast majority of Windows 10 users. Most of us don't even know what RT is, much less use it.
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  8.    18 Oct 2015 #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    There is never a good reason to change my defaults. Never. I have my system set up the way I want and that's that.
    May I remind you that these are Insider Preview builds we are privileged to test/use and that MS can do as they see fit and for we agreed to “as is”. I would also think MS would want us to truly test it at default settings, at least for a little while to learn what the changes are and reasons for them.

    Personally I wouldn’t be using a test build to perform personal business, but rather a RTM copy. I’m planning on setting up a machine to do so. I have my 8.1 for now. Rather a PITA dual booting with the old Acer. Takes quite some time to do so.

    If I'm not mistaken, Print to PDF is also in Windows 7, although it may have been put there by Nuance's PDF viewer.
    8/8.1 has the Store PDF reader app so to print from. One can obtain the same one or others via the 10 Store. There is no Print to PDF in 8/8.1 Devices and Printers. Just what is called “Microsoft XPS Document Writer” to save Docs, Web pages, etc. in XPS format. One can get a 3rd party Win32 PDF virtual printer such as what I suspect you did for 7. I’m so far from 7 I don’t remember. Used the resource-hog Acrobat Reader there.

    There is all kinds of misinformation/speculation in that thread; as one person said, though, all one has to do is to make your PDF viewer the default, which is correct. One other person said he doesn't want to read PDFs in his browser, but a large number of document downloads are in PDF and those, of necessity, are contained in the default browser. Otherwise, PDFs don't belong in my browser. Especially not in Edge at this point in time.
    That whole thread got off track. Edwin answered the OP’s question correctly in the 2nd post, which all ignored and the OP was ignorant in what “Microsoft Print to PDF” virtual printer is by his comment in his next post. Then it all turned out to be about default PDF programs, which is not what the OP was asking originally.

    Have you used Edge lately? At least to see the changes and use it for a little while? It is the browser MS will install across all devices. Edge is a WinRT Store app much like submersive IE11 in 8/8.1, but much more sophisticated. Edge opens a PDF online instantly to view, one can then save it via a menu bar that appears. It also takes a web page which can be converted to a PDF via “Microsoft Print to PDF” or a XPS doc via “Microsoft XPS Document Writer”, then later open it if so desired. Edge is a real time saver in that if one is looking for a particular PDF one can view it instantly to make sure that’s the file one wants, then save it to view in Edge or edit later in another PDF program, not download it then have to open another PDF viewer or program to view it. It may be the wrong PDF, then what? Start the process all over again? Do this in a business setting sifting through many PDF files online.

    As I said in the beginning, if I used my HP wide format printer to print an 11 x 17 spreadsheet and then later in the day wanted to print a letter asking for a quote, forgot I'd used the wide format printer . . . you get the idea, I'm sure . . . I not only wasted my time having to go back and change the printer, but I wasted several sheets of very expensive 11 x 17 paper. Now, on the other paw, if I know that my Brother Laser printer is my default, then it's only natural that I change to the HP wide format printer when printing my gigantic spreadsheet.

    So, no, there's no valid reason to change my default printer, be it print to a real printer, XMS or PDF.
    No, not really sure what you mean. If it’s an office setting where’s there more than one printer, I always look at the print dialogue box to make sure 1) It’s the correct printer. 2) The settings are correct, for if I or someone else changed them previously I need to change them for my current print job. Even at home here the step-daughter uses the printer and may make changes, so I always check.

    Be that as it may, there's no reason to make such a drastic change for the vast majority of Windows 10 users. Most of us don't even know what RT is, much less use it.
    Wyn, you use WinRT in 10 all the time. The Start menu is WinRT. So is the settings app if you use that. There is good reason to make changes, whether drastic or small if it’s change for the better, which in this case I think it is since many users use Edge and Store apps. MS left the option to turn it off. I will be using the default.

    There are also many of us users that have multiple devices and use many Store apps, especially on our mobile devices. Not all users use the system the same way. We all have personal preference as I'm sure you know.
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  9.    24 Oct 2015 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Thanks, Shawn. Thing is, how many average Joes will understand how to turn it off?
    Well Wynona, we have Brink here to help us. Good thing.

    Jeff
    Last edited by jeffrys; 25 Oct 2015 at 05:26.
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  10.    24 Oct 2015 #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    Well Wynona, we have Brinkhere to help us. Good thing.

    Jeff
    Very true, and Shawn isn't at all alone either. What one of us can't figure out, another one can.

    However, and it's a big however, although we have a huge number of members here, we're only a drop in the bucket of Average Joe users out there in the hinterlands.

    And those are the ones I was talking about; most of them have never even heard of forums, much less TenForums! Sadly, it's true.
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