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  1.    28 Feb 2015 #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by f14tomcat View Post
    My understanding of lifetime of a device is the point in time when suitable drivers and support from the manufacturer cease to be (i.e. no parts). No one would expect a TRS 80 to run Windows. At some point, the 'ole mule just can't turn the sod!
    I agree and if anyone is concerned about the free upgrade not lasting long enough on the device they have just get the DVD/ISO when it comes out. That way the copy can be installed on any device that will support Win10 for the longest period of time.

    Yes,. It's not free but what in life is free forever.. and I'm going to bet that MS will discount the DVD/ISO for the first few months.
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  2.    28 Feb 2015 #142
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    Reminds me of a story I use to read when I was a child. Chicken Little (Henny Penny). The sky is falling, The sky is falling.
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  3.    28 Feb 2015 #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    What I waiting on is what Microsoft definition is life time of Device.

    I would like Microsoft to define lifetime of a device.
    My guess is that it simply means you can't transfer your free Windows 10 licence to another device.

    This is unlike the Windows 8 upgrades where there was an early discounted price (but not free!), and you could uninstall Windows 8 from one PC and install it on another.
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  4.    28 Feb 2015 #144
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    It does say "...the supported lifetime of the device"
    What is that? End of warranty? End of software support? End of driver support?
    Then what? You have to shell out dough for a fresh copy of Windows 10?
    That's money in the bag for MS then, most Windows 7 computers are beyond that point already!

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  5.    28 Feb 2015 #145
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    I don't see the problem with MS offering Windows 10 as a free upgrade. Would it be any better If MS said no free upgrade. If you want Windows 10 you have to buy it.
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  6.    28 Feb 2015 #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    It does say "...the supported lifetime of the device"
    What is that? End of warranty? End of software support? End of driver support?
    Then what? You have to shell out dough for a fresh copy of Windows 10?
    That's money in the bag for MS then, most Windows 7 computers are beyond that point already!

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    I agree Edwin.


    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    I don't see the problem with MS offering Windows 10 as a free upgrade. Would it be any better If MS said no free upgrade. If you want Windows 10 you have to buy it.
    The point I and think Edwin meant, that most windows 7 systems and maybe even some 8.1 may already beyond the supported life time of device. Why upgrade to Windows 10 for free or even buy a disk if your device won't be supported or the device will only be supported for a very short time? Might as well stick to what you have. I hope this doesn't shorten people time in having to buy a new device when the old device is no longer supported, not everyone can afford a new device every few years. Some people saved years for a computer. I would give up the internet before going to Operating system subscription based service.
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  7.    28 Feb 2015 #147
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    Why would most Windows 7 systems and some Windows 8.1 systems be beyond their supported life? Upgrading to Windows 10 is a choice. No one has to upgrade if they don't want to. If one thinks their system is to old the solution is easy. Don't upgrade. What are people going to do if say their mother board dies. Or their hard drive fails. Are the manufacturers going to repair their computers for ever?
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  8.    28 Feb 2015 #148
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    Previous releases had a system compatibility application people could run to see if the HW was up-to-snuff. I think MS will create one for Win10 when it gets closer to beta.

    All of this still has to be hammered out by the legal department at MS. Don't expect a less ambiguous answer until there's a forty five page document circulating MS for final approval.

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    As far a 'life of the device' goes I don't think you can move it to another machine, but could you upgrade your machine (Mobo, CPU, Memory, PSU, ...) and still call it the same device? Methinks not.

    I'll wait for the fine print and then ignore it as I always have (unless there's a good debate about the EULA)
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  9.    28 Feb 2015 #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    .....
    If one thinks their system is to old the solution is easy. Don't upgrade.
    .....
    The choice is even easier that that Winuser. A friend wanted to test drive Win10, so I offered to help.
    Some people won't have a choice. Win10 won't install on older devices - period.

    Turns out his system was infected and I had to clean that up first., then he wouldn't let me shrink his drive - sheesh!
    Three weeks later, after a great debate - he said, "Ok, go ahead"
    So, I tried to boot his machine with the Win10 9926 [x64] disc I made for him. Wouldn't boot!
    I checked his System and found out it was x86 - he didn't know and I didn't make him look. He thought it was x64!

    4 weeks into this 'project'!
    I burned an x86 disc - and his machine still wouldn't boot. Scratching my head (my burner? his reader? My machine is x64, his x86 - would that affect it?).

    No ... none of the above - his hardware doesn't meet Win8 requirements.
    --> Specifically support for PAE, NX, and SSE2

    Week 5:
    He swears he ran the Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant.
    But.... he bought a new machine that I recommended (Win8.1) and he's really happy - forgotten all his woes with the old machine!
    I'm happy too, it was like pulling teeth just to 'try' Win10 on the old machine (I'm not going through that again on the new machine )
    But he is a friend and the machine was in bad shape, perhaps he was gun shy.
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  10.    28 Feb 2015 #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    Why would most Windows 7 systems and some Windows 8.1 systems be beyond their supported life? Upgrading to Windows 10 is a choice. No one has to upgrade if they don't want to. If one thinks their system is to old the solution is easy. Don't upgrade. What are people going to do if say their mother board dies. Or their hard drive fails. Are the manufacturers going to repair their computers for ever?
    Of course it is a choice that not the issue. That the issue is we don't know what the supported life cycle is.

    As far old and newer device you can have someone repair a device some times cheaper then buying a new device. I could actually repair my old windows 98se computer and still use it to get online, even though half the sites won't work with it. I could also use the mobile version site of most websites and they would work fine.
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