How to know if activation is NOT an insider build?

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  1. Posts : 5,478
    2004
       #11

    Charlie said:
    I have a rtm and a new insider build both are activated. One say expire date other has no expire date. Run winver to get.
    I installed 10120 in a new Hyper-V VM yesterday, activated it with the generic key and upgraded it to 10240. It showed fully activated (with no expiry) in slmgr /dlv, slmgr/xpr and winver.

    I then linked it to my MS account and upgraded to 10525 through windows update and it now has an expiry date of 7/16/2016. Almost the same as you - could be timezone as mine expires at 01:59am. Seems 10525 has an expiry (and a watermark) whereas 10240 doesn't.

    Presumably the machine (virtual in my case) is still registered on MS servers (as it was activated before).

    Hopefully there will be another build before next July anyway
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  2. Posts : 1,219
    Windows 8.1, Win10Pro
    Thread Starter
       #12

    halasz said:
    I installed 10120 in a new Hyper-V VM yesterday, activated it with the generic key and upgraded it to 10240. It showed fully activated (with no expiry) in slmgr /dlv, slmgr/xpr and winver.

    I then linked it to my MS account and upgraded to 10525 through windows update and it now has an expiry date of 7/16/2016. Almost the same as you - could be timezone as mine expires at 01:59am. Seems 10525 has an expiry (and a watermark) whereas 10240 doesn't.

    Presumably the machine (virtual in my case) is still registered on MS servers (as it was activated before).

    Hopefully there will be another build before next July anyway
    Gabe has said repeatedly in his tweets that future insider builds would expire. So, that is what you have discovered. And, since it is a future build, not the RTM build, it is basically unrelated to my situation.
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  3. Posts : 5,478
    2004
       #13

    Mark Phelps said:
    Gabe has said repeatedly in his tweets that future insider builds would expire. So, that is what you have discovered. And, since it is a future build, not the RTM build, it is basically unrelated to my situation.
    The reply was for @Charlie really. If your winver looks like his for 10240 then you are permanently activated.

    The point being is that if you do rejoin the insider program (I know you said you'd had enough) then your fully activated RTM will change to an insider build with an expiry date. In that case you may have to re-install if you want to go back to the outsider path.
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  4. Posts : 719
    win 7 dual boot / 10
       #14

    halasz said:
    The reply was for @Charlie really. If your winver looks like his for 10240 then you are permanently activated.

    The point being is that if you do rejoin the insider program (I know you said you'd had enough) then your fully activated RTM will change to an insider build with an expiry date. In that case you may have to re-install if you want to go back to the outsider path.
    halasz
    Well I am not sure of that being true for every case. I have been running all of the insider builds and the 10240 rtm was on this drive. It is a new hard drive I have never had a7/8.1 os installed on it. The 10240 winver said it was activated and had no expire date. I am of the thinking that at sometime down the road It will not be a legaly activated drive. That is when there are no more insider builds to be had. I think this will happen sometime after summer of 2016. We shall see.
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  5. Posts : 16,278
    W10Prox64
       #15

    Charlie said:
    halasz
    Well I am not sure of that being true for every case. I have been running all of the insider builds and the 10240 rtm was on this drive. It is a new hard drive I have never had a7/8.1 os installed on it. The 10240 winver said it was activated and had no expire date. I am of the thinking that at sometime down the road It will not be a legaly activated drive. That is when there are no more insider builds to be had. I think this will happen sometime after summer of 2016. We shall see.
    This will be interesting to see, Charlie, as I am in the same boat as you. I grabbed a spare lappy last year, put in an empty HDD and installed from 9926 onward, all upgrades, no clean installs, and all activated. Right now I am sitting on 10240RTM, as I am in the slow ring and the latest update has not come through for me yet. I am "permanently activated" with no expiration date, (so says Windows), but I am still in the Insider program. I'm pretty sure, if I left the Insider program on this machine and wanted to keep W10 on it, I would have to buy a license for it. But, I'm not positive, and I don't want to mess with it now, and mess things up...
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  6. Posts : 719
    win 7 dual boot / 10
       #16

    Sim
    I am thinking lots of folks are wondering around in that boat. I do have a back up plan but I will have to act on it before the free offer hits the end of its rope. I do enjoy the Insider Program and I hope it lasts a lot longer than just next summer.
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  7. Posts : 1,219
    Windows 8.1, Win10Pro
    Thread Starter
       #17

    I think the main source of confusion about this "permanent activation" is that earlier versions of the Insider builds used a generic key and got activated. Then, the RTM came out and not only did the expiration date vanish, but the watermark disappeared from the desktop and the two "slmgr" commands then both came back with results clearly indicating that the PCs were permanently activated.

    In the meantime, Gabe came out with another Tweet that said "future builds" would expire, and as can now be seen from the 10525 build, that is indeed the case.

    What remains to be seen, and might actually be happening now, is what happens to all the older RTM builds that showed as permanently activated but were NOT actually upgrades from Win7/8/8.1. My guess is that MS will be pushing out an update that "deactivates" all these "non-update" installs.
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