Classic Shell no longer in development, and now open source

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    Windows 10 21H1 Build 19043.1023
       #231

    lehnerus2000 said:
    MS should "count its lucky stars", that despite constantly & deliberately breaking 3rd party software (like CS) they aren't being sued by the DoJ for "abuse of monopoly power".
    First, it must be established that along with the hardware inherent in a computer, an operating system must be present. The operating system under discussion here is Windows; thus, Microsoft is the owner. As the owner, Microsoft has a right to develop the Windows Operating System to their own specifications. Microsoft provides necessary guidelines to each developer of software/hardware so it can be run on Windows.

    Microsoft doesn't intentionally break anyone's software. It's up to the author(s) to follow Microsoft's guidelines, and if they can't, then it's their fault if their software won't work. Companies such as Macrium, Mozilla, Virtual Private Networks, Piriform, Libre Office, Terrabyte Unlimited, and many more are able to keep their software working with each new Windows Preview. Hardware OEMs are also able to keep drivers and software, etc. working. Security companies are able to keep their AVs up to date and working with Microsoft 10.

    In fact, I'm pretty sure that's what happened with ClassicShell . . . not to diss the author, but it could be he found it too hard to keep up with developments to Windows 10 and decided to call it quits. That is just a guess; nothing more.

    lehnerus2000 said:
    Those organisations can actually block updates and they don't use the peasant versions of W10 Home & (increasingly) W10 Pro.
    There is everything from small to medium business to giant corporations. All have different licenses with Microsoft from individual to volume. They may be able to block an update for awhile, but I'm pretty sure licenses between Microsoft and corporations are far more stringent than those between an individual and Microsoft.

    I've been a beta tester for Microsoft since around 1985. I tested Windows Vista and Windows 7. It was common knowledge that there are several tiers of Beta Testers who test Microsoft product. One of the top tiers is large corporations who have parts of their IT departments set aside to beta test everything Microsoft they use. That's only one of the tiers; there are many, many more very select Beta Testers who get product way before we, as Insiders, get it as a Preview.

    Microsoft product starts out as what's called "dog food" which most of Microsoft and the higher tiers of testers get. Dog food is pre Alpha, which is pretty raw. Sometime later, it filters down to Alpha and then to Beta, which is the Insider Program and is called a Preview.

    lehnerus2000 said:
    Testing after release doesn't help ordinary users.
    I doubt there is any further "testing" per se after a release; however, there are cumulative updates, which are produced when necessary to take care of something that "got through" the testing.


    lehnerus2000 said:
    MS' response to people trying to block their dodgy updates (including the official MS methods) isn't to stop releasing broken updates, but to push new code to stop users from blocking updates.
    https://www.computerworld.com/articl...t-patched.html
    Sorry, but I don't find Windows Updates dodgy. I don't block updates, nor do I find updates broken.
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       #232

    Josey Wales said:
    Without Classic Shell , I would still be on Windows 7.
    Without Classic Shell I'd still be on Windows XP.
    That one had an option to repeal the then-new pregnant start menu and used the old menu instead.
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       #233

    I agree. Quite dodgy ... both the updates and the policy.
    lehnerus2000 said:
    MS' response to people trying to block their dodgy updates (including the official MS methods) isn't to stop releasing broken updates, but to push new code to stop users from blocking updates.
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  4. Posts : 7,904
    Windows 11 Pro 64 bit
       #234

    Callender said:
    Well an alternative is to use this:

    Classic Shell no longer in development, and now open source - Page 20 - Windows 10 Forums

    You can make text any size you like:
    RE: "How do you create a cascading toolbar to list the Apps as conveniently done by Classic Shell?"

    I don't use CS or have not used it recently. If you mean start menu apps then you just add

    "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu"
    Thanks. I already use Classic Shell on all my PCs and it's brilliant. However, CS won't work from later this year and I'm playing around with other options. Using Toolbars is a simple option. I already spotted the trick of inserting a Toolbar to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu.

    I would like to have a similar cascading menu for Apps as done by CS and with larger text for both Programs & Apps. My 2 challenges remain to be cracked by experts on the forum.
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  5. Posts : 17,838
    Windows 10
       #235

    Steve C said:
    Thanks. I already use Classic Shell on all my PCs and it's brilliant. However, CS won't work from later this year and I'm playing around with other options. Using Toolbars is a simple option. I already spotted the trick of inserting a Toolbar to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu.

    I would like to have a similar cascading menu for Apps as done by CS and with larger text for both Programs & Apps. My 2 challenges remain to be cracked by experts on the forum.
    QTTabBar has some nice options...

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    Windows 10 Home 64bit 21H1 and insider builds
       #236

    Does QTTabBar work in these builds?
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  7. Posts : 17,838
    Windows 10
       #237

    kado897 said:
    Does QTTabBar work in these builds?
    Absolutely!

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  8. Posts : 50,055
    Windows 10 Home 64bit 21H1 and insider builds
       #238

    Edwin said:
    Absolutely!
    I thought Sets would interfere with it so I turned it off.
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  9. Posts : 17,838
    Windows 10
       #239

    kado897 said:
    I thought Sets would interfere with it so I turned it off.
    I think it works with Sets, might be a little glitchy in places but, what else is new!
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    Windows 10 Version 1909 (Build 18363.815
       #240

    I have installed and tried StartX Start Menu and while it is ok, it does not compare with Classic Shell Start Menu - I will put it away with Stardock Start 10 and StartIsBack, just in case I HAVE to use one of them in the future. Please, GitHub, convince MS to work on Classic Shell for future use. That along with a Dark Theme for web are my requests for the future. And, yes I have included these in "feedback" to MS.
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