Windows 10: Cumulative Update KB4051963 Windows 10 v1709 Build 16299.98

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  1.    11 Dec 2017 #120

    Bree said: View Post
    This new update has proved an interesting test for checking for updates over a metered connection.

    I feared at first that that windows update had hung again* and that the 'Download' button was never going to appear. Seems that there was a lot of CPU activity required at the 'Status: Preparing to download - 100%' stage, but the 'Download' button (eventually) appeared as expected.

    One thing I do appreciate in 1709 is the detailed status reports against each individual update. It makes it so much easier to see what's going on and reassured me that, although it took its time, windows update was working as intended.


    * This had been a long-standing 'bug' until 1709. Allow Automatic Updates over Metered Connections in Windows 10
    That's interesting....My sequence went like this:

    Feature update delay set 200 days
    Quality Update delay set 0 days
    WiFi set METERED
    Checked for Updates - Only routine updates came down
    Set Feature update delay 0 days
    Checked for Updates and Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 Systems KB4051963 started initialising
    Would not download until Network set UNmetered
    Then it downloaded and installed correctly.

    So it seems, as mentioned before in this thread, that this is a Feature update and that setting Network metered DOES still block the download

    Oh, my answer to @roy111 is that Quality Updates should not be deferred if you defer feature updates, but then again, this update should not have been a feature update.
    So unfortunately, the should and the reality appear to differ!

    Anyone else agree 'cos I'm a tad confused here?
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  2. Posts : 7,062
    10 Home x64 (1803) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       11 Dec 2017 #121

    What I have found for 1709, both Home and Pro, is that Defender definitions, Cumulative Updates (and presumably Features Updates, but there isn't one to test yet) will not download over a metered connection. They will (sometimes after a long wait if it's a CU) trigger the 'Download' button appearing so you can choose to download anyway, should charges apply.

    Flash Security updates will download over a metered connection without asking, they apparently are deemed 'necessary for the smooth running of your PC'. This is clearly shown in this screenshot - the Flash update has downloaded and is awaiting install, whilst the CU is still waiting for permission to download.

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  3.    11 Dec 2017 #122

    Bree said: View Post
    What I have found for 1709, both Home and Pro, is that Defender definitions, Features Updates and Cumulative Updates will not download over a metered connection. They will (sometimes after a long wait) trigger the 'Download' button appearing so you can choose to download anyway, should charges apply.

    Flash Security updates will download over a metered connection without asking, they apparently are deemed 'necessary for the smooth running of your PC', as clearly shown in this screenshot - the Flash update has downloaded and is awaiting install, whilst the CU is still waiting for permission to download.

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    Thanks @Bree - that's exactly what I get for 1709 Home and Pro too.

    My confusion was that it appeared that this situation might have changed or be changing.
    I keep all my machines whether wireless or LAN set to Metered connection to prevent updates being installed until I'm ready when I temporarily UNmeter them.
    This is especially useful on Win 10 Home which as we know, has fewer controls.

    But I still don't understand why this particular CU is being treated as a Feature update - do you?
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  4. Posts : 7,062
    10 Home x64 (1803) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       11 Dec 2017 #123

    VBF said: View Post
    But I still don't understand why this particular CU is being treated as a Feature update - do you?
    Best guess - someone at MS ticked the wrong box when uploading it to the windows update servers
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  5.    11 Dec 2017 #124

    Bree said: View Post
    Best guess - someone at MS ticked the wrong box when uploading it to the windows update servers
    Such professionalism!
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  6.    11 Dec 2017 #125

    Bree said: View Post
    Best guess - someone at MS ticked the wrong box when uploading it to the windows update servers
    That wouldn't be the first time. Definitely someone at Microsoft is celebrating Christmas ahead of time. Check out the following screenshot taken from one of Windows Secrets' Newsletters:

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  7. Posts : 18,577
    Windows 10 Home 64bit
       11 Dec 2017 #126

    IronZorg89 said: View Post
    That wouldn't be the first time. Definitely someone at Microsoft is celebrating Christmas ahead of time. Check out the following screenshot taken from one of Windows Secrets' Newsletters:

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    It's not the first time AMD64 has been in the name of an update. The "SP2" rollup for Windows 7 has the snappy name AMD64-all-windows6.1-kb3125574-v4-x64_2dafb1d203c8964239af3048b5dd4b1264cd93b9.msu
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  8.    11 Dec 2017 #127

    kado897 said: View Post
    It's not the first time AMD64 has been in the name of an update. The "SP2" rollup for Windows 7 has the snappy name AMD64-all-windows6.1-kb3125574-v4-x64_2dafb1d203c8964239af3048b5dd4b1264cd93b9.msu
    That has also been explained in the same screenshot and I quote:
    "AMD64 is the official name for the 64-bit platform and doesn't mean that it's only applicable to AMD processor chips and not Intel chips. Normally the naming of the patch is merely '64-bit' and doesn't refer to either Intel or AMD"
    This should serve well to everyone having some sort of confusion with this naming issue, as I have seen it all across this thread.
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  • Posts : 18,577
    Windows 10 Home 64bit
       11 Dec 2017 #128

    IronZorg89 said: View Post
    That has also been explained in the same screenshot and I quote:
    "AMD64 is the official name for the 64-bit platform and doesn't mean that it's only applicable to AMD processor chips and not Intel chips. Normally the naming of the patch is merely '64-bit' and doesn't refer to either Intel or AMD"
    This should serve well to everyone having some sort of confusion with this naming issue, as I have seen it all across this thread.
    I was not confused. I was merely presenting an example of previous usage.
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  •    11 Dec 2017 #129

    kado897 said: View Post
    I was not confused. I was merely presenting an example of previous usage.
    Fair enough. :)
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