When FCC Kills Net Neutrality, Here's What Internet Could Look Like

Josey Wales · 18 Dec 2017

HippsieGypsie said:

Josey, did you read any of the articles or watch any of the videos posted throughout this thread? If you did you should’ve seen that the reason the FFC introduced Article II (more regulation) was in answer to all the lawsuits entered against the ISPs for their “dirty deeds” against other companies. If they did it once, they’ll do it again. They will start to control the Internet in other ways. Mark my words.

What others and I are saying is that the old Communications Acts (laws) need to be abandoned and new legislation needs to be introduced to overhaul the whole system.

I had absolutely zero problems from 1995 through 2015. The Government Regulates way too much. I have never been Throttled and never blocked by any web sites.

Tony K · 19 Dec 2017

Anak said:

It's not the only area that needs overhauled...

You have that correct. I mentioned where we should start.

For starters they manipulate what our Constitution states: Commerce Clause - Wikipedia

With enough public dissent we should carry out what Iceland did. Clean house and start all over.

Iceland - Wikipedia

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

~ Thomas Jefferson (Attributed)

“Oh! The Feds created it. It must be good!”

http://www.jekyllislandhistory.com/federalreserve.shtml

Federal Reserve System - Wikipedia

Criticism of the Federal Reserve - Wikipedia

The Refounding Father: The Federal Reserve Bank: A Greater Threat to America's Security Than Al-Qaeda?

Tony K · 19 Dec 2017

Layback Bear said:

As far as I can tell the 2015 regulation fixed a problem we didn't have.

Josey Wales said:

I had absolutely zero problems from 1995 through 2015. The Government Regulates way too much. I have never been Throttled and never blocked by any web sites.

That YOU know of.

Net neutrality in the United States - Wikipedia

Those are just a few major ones. There are more. Then I’m sure that there are some we don’t know of.

lehnerus2000 · 20 Dec 2017

DC10 said:

There are regulations that are good and necessary, like what you said about food safety. But regulations just for the sake of regulations end up doing more harm than good, and costing the public money without serving a good cause.
Like Thrash said, some regulations are little more than senseless red tape to fix a non issue.

I specifically chose Safety Regulations as most people can grasp the concept.

A significant percentage of US citizens can't grasp the concept of Consumer Protection Regulations.

Suppose AT&T, Charter, Comcast and Verizon decide that they don't like MS' multi-GB W10 updates clogging up their networks (chewing up valuable advertising bandwidth) so they cap all MS sites at 1 Mb/s.

Josey Wales · 20 Dec 2017

lehnerus2000 said:

I specifically chose Safety Regulations as most people can grasp the concept.

A significant percentage of US citizens can't grasp the concept of Consumer Protection Regulations.

Suppose AT&T, Charter, Comcast and Verizon decide that they don't like MS' multi-GB W10 updates clogging up their networks (chewing up valuable advertising bandwidth) so they cap all MS sites at 1 Mb/s.

That would never happen, Microsoft would not just sit back and take it. The Three main Offenders were AT&T, Comcast and Verizon. A couple more that I never heard of. The sky is not falling and the NET is still running. The Federal Reserve Bank has absolutely nothing to do with this. They are a separate problem.

lehnerus2000 · 20 Dec 2017

Josey Wales said:

That would never happen, Microsoft would not just sit back and take it. The Three main Offenders were AT&T, Comcast and Verizon. A couple more that I never heard of. The sky is not falling and the NET is still running.

What could MS do about it?
Not send them W10 updates?
Not honour their SLA contracts?

Just to stick it to MS:

Apple could supply them with cheap Macs
Google could supply them with cut-rate Cloud-based services

Josey Wales said:

The Federal Reserve Bank has absolutely nothing to do with this. They are a separate problem.

I agree.

I didn't say anything about the Federal Reserve, why did you bring it up?

Winuser · 20 Dec 2017

lehnerus2000 said:

What could MS do about it?
Not send them W10 updates?
Not honour their SLA contracts?

Just to stick it to MS:

Apple could supply them with cheap Macs
Google could supply them with cut-rate Cloud-based services

I agree.

I didn't say anything about the Federal Reserve, why did you bring it up?

MS could send them a forced update to Windows 10 and cause all their computers to GSOD. :)

Anak · 21 Dec 2017

Josey Wales said:

That would never happen,

Be careful what you say:

There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. Steve Ballmer, USA Today, April 30, 2007.

There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home. Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), in a talk given to a 1977 World Future Society meeting in Boston. This is widely quoted but Olsen claims it is taken out of context, that he was not referring to personal computers but to a household computer that would control the home. Reference: "Ken Olsen", Snopes, includes bibliography.

But the real future of the laptop computer will remain in the specialized niche markets. Because no matter how inexpensive the machines become, and no matter how sophisticated their software, I still can't imagine the average user taking one along when going fishing. Erik Sandberg-Diment, "The Executive Computer", The New York Times (December 8, 1985)

Television? The word is half Latin and half Greek. No good can come of it. C. P. Scott, BBC History of television.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Incorrect_predictions

Winuser said:

MS could send them a forced update to Windows 10 and cause all their computers to GSOD.

In some strange way, I like how you think...

xips · 21 Dec 2017

HippsieGypsie said:

Except for energy utilities, but with all the rest they gave them too much free reign. But if you mean oil/gas companies, then yes. They handed us over as slaves to OPEC IMO.

I was going for California's deregulation and subsequent energy crisis. Think Enron.

Josey Wales · 21 Dec 2017

lehnerus2000 said:

What could MS do about it?
Not send them W10 updates?
Not honour their SLA contracts?

Just to stick it to MS:

Apple could supply them with cheap Macs
Google could supply them with cut-rate Cloud-based services

I agree.

I didn't say anything about the Federal Reserve, why did you bring it up?

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You did not but another member did. The Net Neutrality is just another useless regulation that has been done away with. Users can still file a complaint with The FCC about any shenanigans caused by AT&t, Comcast and Version.