Windows 10: When FCC Kills Net Neutrality, Here's What Internet Could Look Like

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  1.    15 Dec 2017 #81

    essenbe said: View Post
    I have read a lot of the predictions of doom and gloom that have been discussed here. What is being talked about are the worst case scenarios. I think, as with most things, we never see the worst case scenarios. Will some things change, possibly. But things are constantly changing. Also, as with everything else, 'The devil is in the details' which we don't know for sure. We have no choice but to just wait and see what happens.

    I really have no opinion on this issue because I don't have enough factual decision to make an informed opinion. What I do know is until about 2 years ago there was no Net Neutrality. I can't say I have noticed any difference in pre 2015 and post 2015. I suspect I will see very little difference in post 2017. May Netflix charge more for their service? Possibly, but they would have anyway sooner or later. May an ISP charge more money to connect to Netflix? Maybe. But, if Netflix, as some reports say, are using 30% of the US bandwidth, some changes were inevitable with or without Net Neutrality. If Netflix uses anywhere near that much bandwidth, they should pay more. Yes, that will probably be passed onto us. However, if they raise prices very much, they will lose customers and revenue. So, I don't expect a substantial increase. Their shareholders wouldn't like losing money. In the end, we as consumers, will control the prices to a great extent. And again, I think much of whatever changes there will be were going to happen anyway. I noticed no change before Net Neutrality and I suspect there will be very few changes after net neutrality. I believe many of the changes we will see were inevitable no matter what happens. I just want to see the details. Just my 2 cents.
    I agree 100%
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  2. Posts : 976
    Windows 7/64 Professional
       15 Dec 2017 #82

    essenbe said: View Post
    I have read a lot of the predictions of doom and gloom that have been discussed here. What is being talked about are the worst case scenarios. I think, as with most things, we never see the worst case scenarios. Will some things change, possibly. But things are constantly changing. Also, as with everything else, 'The devil is in the details' which we don't know for sure. We have no choice but to just wait and see what happens.

    I really have no opinion on this issue because I don't have enough factual decision to make an informed opinion. What I do know is until about 2 years ago there was no Net Neutrality. I can't say I have noticed any difference in pre 2015 and post 2015. I suspect I will see very little difference in post 2017. May Netflix charge more for their service? Possibly, but they would have anyway sooner or later. May an ISP charge more money to connect to Netflix? Maybe. But, if Netflix, as some reports say, are using 30% of the US bandwidth, some changes were inevitable with or without Net Neutrality. If Netflix uses anywhere near that much bandwidth, they should pay more. Yes, that will probably be passed onto us. However, if they raise prices very much, they will lose customers and revenue. So, I don't expect a substantial increase. Their shareholders wouldn't like losing money. In the end, we as consumers, will control the prices to a great extent. And again, I think much of whatever changes there will be were going to happen anyway. I noticed no change before Net Neutrality and I suspect there will be very few changes after net neutrality. I believe many of the changes we will see were inevitable no matter what happens. I just want to see the details. Just my 2 cents.
    Very well said.

    The only thing I have noticed is my paid for speed of 15 gbits went up to 100 gbits and no bandwidth usage limits and no extra cost to me.

    I look at it this way.

    1. The U.S. government controlling things.
    2. Or free enterprise controlling things.

    On such matters I don't think the government has enough smarts.

    With or without controls put on by the government my internet speed and bandwidth has always been what I paid for or more.
    Let Netflex worry about Netflex, just like most all business's do business.

    I will give you a example.

    Rockefeller and Standard Oil. At the time the riches man in the country.
    Standard Oil was broken up into many small companies by the government.
    Rockefeller just bought controlling interest (stocks) and became the richest man in the world in his day.

    Their are very few things the government does well.

    Jack
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  3. Posts : 47
    W10 Pro 64, version 1709
       16 Dec 2017 #83

    essenbe said: View Post
    I have read a lot of the predictions of doom and gloom that have been discussed here. What is being talked about are the worst case scenarios. I think, as with most things, we never see the worst case scenarios. Will some things change, possibly. But things are constantly changing. Also, as with everything else, 'The devil is in the details' which we don't know for sure. We have no choice but to just wait and see what happens.

    I really have no opinion on this issue because I don't have enough factual decision to make an informed opinion. What I do know is until about 2 years ago there was no Net Neutrality. I can't say I have noticed any difference in pre 2015 and post 2015. I suspect I will see very little difference in post 2017. May Netflix charge more for their service? Possibly, but they would have anyway sooner or later. May an ISP charge more money to connect to Netflix? Maybe. But, if Netflix, as some reports say, are using 30% of the US bandwidth, some changes were inevitable with or without Net Neutrality. If Netflix uses anywhere near that much bandwidth, they should pay more. Yes, that will probably be passed onto us. However, if they raise prices very much, they will lose customers and revenue. So, I don't expect a substantial increase. Their shareholders wouldn't like losing money. In the end, we as consumers, will control the prices to a great extent. And again, I think much of whatever changes there will be were going to happen anyway. I noticed no change before Net Neutrality and I suspect there will be very few changes after net neutrality. I believe many of the changes we will see were inevitable no matter what happens. I just want to see the details. Just my 2 cents.
    I agree essenbe. It's not like the internet was a disaster pre-Net Neutrality, so it's not likely to be a disaster
    post-Net Neutrality. Government controls often produce more problems than they solve.
      My ComputerSystem Spec

  4.    16 Dec 2017 #84

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    The Net Neutrality vote comes up this week on Thursday, December 14. It looks like there may be a wrench thrown in the gears that may delay the vote.



    More here: https://www.wired.com/story/fcc-must...et-neutrality/


    The old Latin saying should apply here :

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    (Who guards the guards). I shudder to think who would be the arbiter of "Net Neutrality" -- the best form of Net Neutrality is to keep it us unregulated and as individual as possible --true people will make mistakes and get scammed etc but that should be a learning experience even if at times an expensive one.

    In any case I DON'T think USA is appropriate as the "Police" here judging by the number of sites they attempt to block and Court cases on totally absurd issues. The UK is almost as bad - II believe they block more sites than N.Korea or certanly China. !! So long as those two countries don't get any near any process legislating for world wide use of Internet the thing could perhaps be looked at - but if either UK or USA have their fingers in this pie FORGET IT !!!.

    The EU might itself be better --but only because with so many differing countries it would take them DECADES to agree on anything - by which time there might (certainly will be ) a totally new system rendering this topic totally obsolete.

    As far as NETFLIX is concerned -- what's it got to do with ANY govt -- it's up to NETFLIX and its suppliers / aggrievied parties in the case of intellectual property rights / copyright not being respected. What on earth has US Govt any business poking its nose in to a private legitimate companies affairs for matters not to do with legal taxation, employee rights etc. Is this simply because Donald Trump can't control Netflix I wonder.


    IF Netflix really are using 30% of US Bandwidth --then build more infrastructure - investors and users should pay not the STATE.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. Posts : 2,693
    3-Win-7Prox64 2-Win10Prox64
       16 Dec 2017 #85

    HI,
    Good one who's guarding the guards
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  6.    16 Dec 2017 #86

    Pre-NN, I paid at&t for u-verse 50/5 service. My netflix subscription was rendered useless until netflix paid off at&t. They also throttled every wireless devices @ 50-70% of the bandwidth I was paying for. I have a long list of BS at&t pulled and imo they are criminal and should burn eternally. I've since moved to the only competitor available in my area with same services at half the at&t cost and am satisfied with the new service. With my at&t experience, I am in complete support of NN.

    Historically, the govt deregulated Savings & Loan banking rules, the airline industry, energy utilities, and Wall St finance all which resulted in a cost of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. I prefer a responsible public servants.

    Send in the clowns...
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  7.    16 Dec 2017 #87

    larc919 said: View Post
    Having no plans now doesn't mean they can't have plans 10 minutes from now.
    My thoughts on this is If they are not planning any changes, why did they fight to have Net Neutrality reversed?
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  8.    16 Dec 2017 #88

    Winuser said: View Post
    My thoughts on this is If they are not planning any changes, why did they fight to have Net Neutrality reversed?
    They are trying to reduce regulations and end all of the red tape.
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  9.    16 Dec 2017 #89

    Josey Wales said: View Post
    They are trying to reduce regulations and end all of the red tape.
    So they can put the customer first?
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  10. Posts : 10,280
    Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Pro Insider
       17 Dec 2017 #90

    I don't want them to put me any place. I wish they would forget I even existed and leave me alone. Ronald Reagan said the scariest sentence is, 'Hi, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you'.
      My ComputersSystem Spec


 
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