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  1. Posts : 13,973
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       04 Dec 2017 #370

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    That's interesting. Thought it stood for Microsoft Engineering. Pure coincidence.
    Basically, until quite recently all TLDs were two or three characters long with only a few exceptions. Today there are more and longer TLDs, for instance I have registered and will at some point in the very near future start using domain Win10.Guru. TLDs like .museum, .berlin and .london can now be registered.

    List of Internet top-level domains - Wikipedia

    Anyway, all country TLDs are two characters long. Companies, associations, organisations, services and even private people can register them, see for instance where URL follow.us takes you, a private person cleverly using US country TLD .us to redirect traffic to personal Instagram account.
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  2. Posts : 1,410
    Triple Boot Windows 10 IP Build 17672/Windows Server 2019 IP Build 17639/Debian Unstable
       05 Dec 2017 #371

    Kari said: View Post


    In case embedded tweet above is not shown on your device / browser, you can see it on Twitter: Brandon LeBlanc on Twitter:
    Thanks for this matrix Brandon. Bookmarked and subscribed. I didn't know the Server had been updated. And I'm going to install the VHDX and convert it to a VMware Image VMDK if I can.
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  3. Posts : 38,043
    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & current Insider 10 Pro
       05 Dec 2017 #372

    @Fafhrd

    Just to let you know, your post wasn’t left unread and is an excellent one, IMO. :)

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  4. Posts : 38,043
    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & current Insider 10 Pro
       05 Dec 2017 #373

    kado897 said: View Post
    Yes the seven. The alpha, beta descriptions came into common use later to refer to development states rather than testing states. As insiders we are really just doing extended acceptance testing.
    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    I see what you're saying. Should be two separate descriptions of the stages that software development is in vs testing level.
    cereberus said: View Post
    I repeat alpha has always meant early preview version, warts and all. Beta has always meant a pre-release version which is in final bug testing phase ie nearly ready for release. The terms mean a state of PERCEIVED readiness, not directly related to testing but of course, testing assesses how accurate the PERCEIVED state is.

    In the end it is just semantics.
    Excuse me, but I don’t remember having a conversation with you about this subject, nor any subject really. I’ve never seen you directly quote me before. In fact, I’ve noticed the past months that you always quote the one that follows who quotes me. I’ve seen members use this tactic before. It’s a way of recognizing what a member states, whether perceived right or wrong, but yet in a round about way ignore that member. I just write it off as some members simply don’t like me or what I’ve posted, which is alright by me, for I don’t expect all members to like me or what I post either.

    In reviewing your previous posts, I see you repeat no concrete explanation of build or testing levels, nor give reference to one. What you just posted along with post #317 is to me nothing other than expressing your opinion. It’d be like me trying to explain door swings. In the end it would simply be my opinion, for there is no decisive standardized definition of terms of “right hand” or “left hand” swings.

    Also, what is “in normal common definition terms” to you may be perceived differently by me or others, again, since there is no decisive standardized definition of terms of software development and testing. If you find one, please post it.

    What I’ve learned for myself here lately is that since I’m an Insider, I’ll stick to terms that MS uses. “Prerelease build number” being the definition of a build’s development level and “Ring level” as the definition of the testing level.
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  5.    05 Dec 2017 #374

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Excuse me, but I don’t remember having a conversation with you about this subject, nor any subject really. I’ve never seen you directly quote me before. In fact, I’ve noticed the past months that you always quote the one that follows who quotes me. I’ve seen members use this tactic before. It’s a way of recognizing what a member states, whether perceived right or wrong, but yet in a round about way ignore that member. I just write it off as some members simply don’t like me or what I’ve posted, which is alright by me, for I don’t expect all members to like me or what I post either.

    In reviewing your previous posts, I see you repeat no concrete explanation of build or testing levels, nor give reference to one. What you just posted along with post #317 is to me nothing other than expressing your opinion. It’d be like me trying to explain door swings. In the end it would simply be my opinion, for there is no decisive standardized definition of terms of “right hand” or “left hand” swings.

    Also, what is “in normal common definition terms” to you may be perceived differently by me or others, again, since there is no decisive standardized definition of terms of software development and testing. If you find one, please post it.

    What I’ve learned for myself here lately is that since I’m an Insider, I’ll stick to terms that MS uses. “Prerelease build number” being the definition of a build’s development level and “Ring level” as the definition of the testing level.
    I really do not know what your issue is. By quoting a person who quoted a person,it just makes it easier to follow the chain of a topic in a thread. They get confusing enough anyway. Posts are an open discussion. I can assure you nobody as far as I can tell is using deliberate tactics or anything like that.

    I shall try not to quote you directly if you prefer unless I specifically have something to add. Please do not overreact to what is nothing more than rather unstructured open debate that happens on these long posts.
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  6.    05 Dec 2017 #375

    Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Fast+Skip Build 17046 for PC


    can I skip 1725 update? directly update 1709 to 17046
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       05 Dec 2017 #376

    hellblazer33 said: View Post
    can I skip 1725 update? directly update 1709 to 17046
    Yes.

    If you upgrade 16299 (version 1709) now to Fast ring Insider build, it will be 17046.
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  8. Posts : 13,973
    Windows 10 Pro
       05 Dec 2017 #377

    Edge is starting to act weird, I've reset it already a few times.

    An example: I only use one extension, Office Online (Your request appears to be from an automated process). Now after a cold boot I get this almost every time:

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    I must then restart Office extension and sign in again:

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  • Posts : 1,524
    WinX Pro x64 IP current
       05 Dec 2017 #378

    martyfelker said: View Post
    You almost certainly will not any reason for the AMD bug. This involves really big bucks on the corporate side. The only analog I have in my testing experience is when I could not activate my copy of Office 2003 online and escalated the problem from India to a pretty high level at Redmond. I worked very well with the guy there and we did a lot of cool stuff but at a certaini point he was almost ready to have me go into the registry to activate the software and then thought better of it and instead sent me a copy of Office 2003 in a plain white mailer that would always activate. Maybe I can find it and install it in the Windows XP VM I made for her (she has software that will only run on XP).

    This kind of post would be the only reason I could see any sort of justification for having Microsoft explain the reasons certain bugs occur.

    Because when they don't, as with the AMD bug, pure speculation, from the factual end of the spectrum all the way to the fanciful end, comes out in droves.

    (But, as an aside, I personally enjoy reading the near-conspiracy-theory reasons purported by the enthusiasts here, so naturally I think that the lack of communication from Micro$oft is perfectly fine for this reason as well as the other reasons I mentioned before....)


    Wynona said: View Post
    Well said, John!

    Ty Wynona :)


    Fafhrd said: View Post
    It is scientific and what we do is scientifically analysed too, despite our tendency to try and improve the situation!

    It is in the nature of scientifically run trials that they are ramdomised and that the agents and participants are "blinded" - not knowing what to expect from any particular test or process.

    The "mushroom theory" (keep us in the dark and feed us with manure) is a common comic example of this.

    Some cases are controls having received neutral or placebo input during the process, others will receive more potent input during the trial without being alerted to which group they are in.

    The trouble is that the participants are human and curious and may develop beliefs that affect their behaviour, and worse, communicate these beliefs to other participants, changing their behaviour too, beyond the original conditions laid out by the researchers and developers.

    Thus a build or update that is found by some early adopters to be difficult to install, or to be repeatedly bugchecking, may be feared by other users who may not attempt to install it on the basis of the reports from those with difficulties, or will perform workarounds based on popular received knowledge.

    The effect of this may be to reduce the number of attempted installations since some are convinced "to sit this one out", based on the experiences of others, or avoiding an upgrade and obtaining an unsupported clean install instead. This may skew the statistics for the analysts working out the results.

    There are always going to be differences between faster and slower hardware combinations. Whereas internal rings may have optimum hardware and strictly regulated third party additions, and run much of the early testing on standardised VMs, the Insiders offer a multi-dimensioned testbed for mainstream real world testing.

    Feedback and Insider reporting offers subjective experiences to be communicated by participants, however this is very limited and likely to be irreproducible without the necessary combination of hardware and software, but the biggest wealth of objective reports come from telemetry, mostly from failure mode dumps.

    Fortunately feedback and telemetry is tied together by the Insider Account unless the user uses separate accounts for testing and feedback.

    When these reports come to MS electronically via the well established WER route following bugchecks,and other routes like rollbacks they feed directly into the analytical system that has led to the improved quality and stability of Windows so much over the past decade and a half.

    That's a pretty well established methodology - data mining - and I know that some of my medico-scientist colleagues thought it was not scientific, since it turns the traditional scientific method on its head. It doesn't, really, it's just a tool to give insights into complex datasets - like a telescope resolves very distant objects, or a microscope very small ones.

    The traditional scientific method starts off with a proposal, say "that B always follows A", and then goes out to falsify or test that hypothesis through experiment.

    If no experiment can falsify the original premise, then the theory is generally considered to be sound, but it is never possible that a theory can be proved - Newtonian theory was superseded (shown to be inaccurate in some circumstances) by Einsteinian relativity, but is considered a special case that is generally applicable to non-relativistic situations.

    Data mining has no original premise - it is a shotgun approach that takes all available outcomes and all measurable variables over a large number of test situations, and derives relationships and probabilities between variables, combinations of factors and the outcomes.

    Thus any set of starting values can be given a predictive value even before testing.

    It is then that the scientific process comes into play.

    A theory may be established why an unwanted event may happen and the system can be examined to see if there is a causative explanation and a fix for it.

    Since only MS has the code, the analysts and their data from us, and their developers in regular conference, they will get around to their considered priorities, which may not be the same as ours.

    Some bugs may never get fixed.

    This. Very well written, thanks, Fafhrd


    bordi said: View Post
    I just want it to install on my system so I can remain an insider

    Without having to upgrade the Motherboard, CPU, Ram, Graphics card and maybe even the rest of it

    And another Product Key
    I wonder if there is another issue underlying your problems.

    My system specs are nowhere near new, although my primary system drive us a 1 TB SSD.

    Sorry if this had been answered already, birdie, but have you created a topic by yourself on this issue to get help for it?

    Oh, and IP testing is tied to your Microsoft Account, not to a single Windows installation key, so you can clean install a normal released build, then join the Insider program and stay taking IP builds again.
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  •    05 Dec 2017 #379

    johngalt said: View Post
    I wonder if there is another issue underlying your problems.

    My system specs are nowhere near new, although my primary system drive us a 1 TB SSD.

    Sorry if this had been answered already, birdie, but have you created a topic by yourself on this issue to get help for it?

    Oh, and IP testing is tied to your Microsoft Account, not to a single Windows installation key, so you can clean install a normal released build, then join the Insider program and stay taking IP builds again.
    Thanks mate; I’ve read somewhere Intel saying that these motherboards don’t support windows 10 at all, I guess I’m lucky to have been able to install win 10 up to Build 16299.

    It’s tied to my Microsoft account but to install on a new pc and get activated one has to have a new activation key. Doesn’t one?
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