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  1.    04 Dec 2017 #351

    slicendice said: View Post
    Since you must be older than me and having a much better memory than me, I believe you. Those years I was not even thought of yet.
    I cannot say of my memory is better than yours but I certainly remember terms alpha and beta and it almost certainly goes back to early mainframe days in late 50s.
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       04 Dec 2017 #352

    Thanks to all for your posts and info. Learning a lot. Helps to pass the time between builds. I've fulfilled all my quests, sent feedback or upvoted, learned/used some of the new features, and cleanly reinstalled attempting to fix my tile problem to no avail (continuing to reboot to fill in the tiles). Now it's nap time. Later....
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  3.    04 Dec 2017 #353

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    I see what you're saying. Should be two separate descriptions of the stages that software development is in vs testing level.
    I repeat alpha has always meant early preview version, warts and all. Beta has always meant a pre-release version which is in final bug testing phase ie nearly ready for release. The terms mean a state of PERCEIVED readiness, not directly related to testing but of course, testing assesses how accurate the PERCEIVED state is.

    In the end it is just semantics.
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       04 Dec 2017 #354

    An interesting quote from an overly long article.....

    Testing cannot establish that product functions properly under all conditions but can establish only that it does not function properly under specific conditions.

    Software testing - Wikipedia




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       04 Dec 2017 #355

    cereberus said: View Post
    I repeat alpha has always meant early preview version, warts and all. Beta has always meant a pre-release version which is in final bug testing phase ie nearly ready for release. The terms mean a state of PERCEIVED readiness, not directly related to testing but of course, testing assesses how accurate the PERCEIVED state is.

    In the end it is just semantics.
    Exactly.
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       04 Dec 2017 #356

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    An interesting quote from an overly long article.....

    Testing cannot establish that product functions properly under all conditions but can establish only that it does not function properly under specific conditions.

    Software testing - Wikipedia




    There has been simple code that has been "tested" mathematically and proved to work but the complexity of real world code makes that impossible. There are just too many combinations of conditions. Software development is always looking for ways to reduce that complexity.
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       04 Dec 2017 #357

    I've had it with all the alpha and beta releases. How about an omega release
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       04 Dec 2017 #358

    DooGie said: View Post
    I've had it with all the alpha and beta releases. How about an omega release
    W10 is the "last Windows" as Microsoft has announced, and Ω (Omega) is the last letter of Greek alphabet, therefore isn't any public release version of Windows 10 "the omega release", current Ω being v. 1709?
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  9.    04 Dec 2017 #359

    kado897 said: View Post
    There has been simple code that has been "tested" mathematically and proved to work but the complexity of real world code makes that impossible. There are just too many combinations of conditions. Software development is always looking for ways to reduce that complexity.
    One thing that never changes about programming is the more structured a program is the more it is easier to test its robustness. Anybody can make a small 10 line program robust but POTENTIAL for bugs increases non linearly with size (in an exponential manner). Good techniques suppress exponential rise (e^-ax where a=(say) 1 by reducing sensitivity making a<1.

    But no matter what anybody does, it is impossible to stop number of potential bug combinations rapidly approaching infinity from a practical viewpoint ie time to fix is beyond practical timescales.

    This is why I laugh when people say MS should test more before releasing something. Even if they do a magnificent job reducing bugs by a factor of 100, 1% of a very large number is still a very large number.

    All one can do in realistic terms is test the most common and likely perceived scenarios, working on basis obscure bugs are statistically much less likely. But when you are talking about 600 million users on 600 million different combinations of pc and software, and completely different usage patterns, it does not take much cranial capacity to realise how impossible a tsk is really being faced.

    In fact, if you really think about it, it is remarkable how well MS do in reality.
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       04 Dec 2017 #360

    Kari said: View Post
    W10 is the "last Windows" as Microsoft has announced, and Ω (Omega) is the last letter of Greek alphabet, therefore isn't any public release version of Windows 10 "the omega release", current Ω being v. 1709?
    I did post it tongue in cheek Kari.
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