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  1. slicendice's Avatar
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       04 Dec 2017 #330

    dencal said: View Post
    More knowledge = speculation = experimentation = f**k ups = finding out faults = gaining more knowledge....ad infinitum....
    I like this one. :)

    In the case I mentioned this does however not apply since system is used as stated in MS own educational documents for certification. No experimentation involved and system used exactly as intended and designed yet things does NOT work.
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       04 Dec 2017 #331

    kado897 said: View Post
    Those are familiar terms to me in the testing cycle.
    Which are familiar? The 7 that are listed?

    Until software firms started to allow pre-release software into the wild I had never heard the terms alpha and beta used to define a program's development state.
    So are you saying that these terms are recent definitions? Let's say as recent as 5 years? 10 years?
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       04 Dec 2017 #332

    @HipsieGypsie

    Great research!

    Alpha/Beta are more of externally visual release cycle terms.

    While xxx-testing (Unit- etc...) is internal code structure testing, starting from the simplest code block input/output values to a full fledged system with multiple applications talking to each other. Only developers or users really close to the developers and access to full documentations and specifications should be involved in those. Most of the tests are automated tests written in code, but some can only be done manually or is very difficult to implement in code.
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       04 Dec 2017 #333

    A few remarks

    1) For whatever reason, the buildfeed.net is down right now. When it comes back up the latest canary will be what they are considering.

    2) Perhaps the question could be raised at the next Insider broadcast on I believe the 13th. What Dona is describing as "self-host tests" would seem to be the "scientific" testing people are talking about. What, besides automated stress tests, this entails it "might" be possible to teases out of them - but I doubt it.
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  5. slicendice's Avatar
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       04 Dec 2017 #334

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Which are familiar? The 7 that are listed?



    So are you saying that these terms are recent definitions? Let's say as recent as 5 years? 10 years?
    At least 20 years old terms. (this is as far as I can remember) But those terms became more common when programmers and companies started to emphasise the importance of unit testing and multitasking operating systems became a norm.

    Edit: Alpha and Beta has existed at least since 30 years ago. (can't remember longer than that)
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       04 Dec 2017 #335

    slicendice said: View Post
    @HipsieGypsie

    Great research!

    Alpha/Beta are more of externally visual release cycle terms.

    While xxx-testing (Unit- etc...) is internal code structure testing, starting from the simplest code block input/output values to a full fledged system with multiple applications talking to each other. Only developers or users really close to the developers and access to full documentations and specifications should be involved in those. Most of the tests are automated tests written in code, but some can only be done manually or is very difficult to implement in code.
    slicendice said: View Post
    At least 20 years old terms. (this is as far as I can remember) But those terms became more common when programmers and companies started to emphasise the importance of unit testing and multitasking operating systems became a norm.

    Edit: Alpha and Beta has existed at least since 30 years ago. (can't remember longer than that)
    I see. Thanks, Slice. :)
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       04 Dec 2017 #336

    martyfelker said: View Post
    A few remarks

    1) For whatever reason, the buildfeed.net is down right now. When it comes back up the latest canary will be what they are considering.

    2) Perhaps the question could be raised at the next Insider broadcast on I believe the 13th. What Dona is describing as "self-host tests" would seem to be the "scientific" testing people are talking about. What, besides automated stress tests, this entails it "might" be possible to teases out of them - but I doubt it.
    Thanks for the buildfeed.net info, Marty. You're our great go-to for that. :)

    Seems to me the selfhost tests are the in-house testing that slice speaks about. Once they have a proven candidate, then they release it to us.
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       04 Dec 2017 #337

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Which are familiar? The 7 that are listed?



    So are you saying that these terms are recent definitions? Let's say as recent as 5 years? 10 years?
    Yes the seven. The alpha, beta descriptions came into common use later to refer to development states rather than testing states. As insiders we are really just doing extended acceptance testing.
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       04 Dec 2017 #338

    Here is a very over simplified Unit-test:
    Code:
    int valueA = 1;
    int valueB = 3;
    int expectedResult = 4;
    
    bool SumReturnsCorrectResult(int valueA, int valueB, int expectedResult)
    {
       int actualResult = Sum(valueA, valueB);
       
       return Assert(expectedResult, actualResult);
    }
    And here is the actual code to be tested:
    Code:
    int Sum(int A, int B)
    {
       return A + B;
    }
    The function SumReturnsCorrectResult will return TRUE in this case.
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  10.    04 Dec 2017 #339

    kado897 said: View Post
    Yes the seven. The alpha, beta descriptions came into common use later to refer to development states rather than testing states. As insiders we are really just doing extended acceptance testing.
    I disagree - we were using alpha/beta terms in late 60's, early 70s when main languages were Fortran and Cobol!
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