Announcing Windows 10 Insider Slow Build 17025 for PC Insider

larc919 said:

I dislike Explorer as a file manager and can't imagine that Clover's "frills" would improve it enough to be even remotely appealing.

I have quite an opposite opinion but of course understand that other users may have other opinions. I like Explorer, it's doing everything I want to it to do, everything needed to be done. I just missed tabs and favourites bar on it, that's why I use Clover.

larc919 said:

I dislike Explorer as a file manager and can't imagine that Clover's "frills" would improve it enough to be even remotely appealing.

Clover only really gives tabs and a favourites bar.

I'd rather have 2 panes than tabs, even with tabs you have to switch between and still go copy/cut paste while with 2 (or more) panes I could just drag a file where it's supposed to go. That's something Total Commander does perfectly. Even old File Manager was doing same thing.

CountMike said:

I'd rather have 2 panes than tabs, even with tabs you have to switch between and still go copy/cut paste while with 2 (or more) panes I could just drag a file where it's supposed to go. That's something Total Commander does perfectly. Even old File Manager was doing same thing.

Not sure about Clover but with QTTabbar you can drag and drop files between tabs.

So now I've installed QTTabBar 1.50 beta and I can post my two cents. The main thing is that it's an apples and oranges comparison. Clover and Total Commander are both stand-alone file utilities. I paid for Total Commander because 1) The author arranges will a US Distributor to mail you a CD which contains the program and license (mine was Total Commander 6) and then free upgrades are available from his web site and 2) A huge number of third-party programs and extensions for it are available. Clover mostly appeals because causes of it's more modern GUI. Total Commander is way more powerful. QtTabBar, in contrast, is basically a number of extensions to the explorer.exe program which the first programs don't touch. For that reason, it appeals to me because the explorer interface is overdue for an update. I just bought Modern File Explorer from the Store for about 7 bucks and I;ll check that out. Looks like it interfaces with Google Drive and OneDrive among built-in file compression using zip etc etc etc. Microsoft UWA File Explorer looked pretty lame last time I looked but is free.

Someday I'd like to discuss other terminal emulators and also wonder whether people have tried other file copy programs. I like Teracopy Free but don't yet see any real added value for me to buy pro.

End of my two cents. I'm enjoying the Einstein@home screensaver - maybe it will come up with more central galactic gravitational waves. No doubt more controversy will be stirred up if we discuss Start Menu replacements or add on. I've been using Stardocks Start 10 program - it's one of the first things I install after a clean install. If I want the Windows 10 Start Menu its available directly and unmodified from the Start 10 Menu.
I also use Winstep's Nextstart and Workshelp programs. I worked several years with Jorge C. the founder of the company. Winstep Ultimate is awesome.

martyfelker said:

So now I've installed QTTabBar 1.50 beta and I can post my two cents. The main thing is that it's an apples and oranges comparison. Clover and Total Commander are both stand-alone file utilities. I paid for Total Commander because 1) The author arranges will a US Distributor to mail you a CD which contains the program and license (mine was Total Commander 6) and then free upgrades are available from his web site and 2) A huge number of third-party programs and extensions for it are available. Clover mostly appeals because causes of it's more modern GUI. Total Commander is way more powerful. QtTabBar, in contrast, is basically a number of extensions to the explorer.exe program which the first programs don't touch. For that reason, it appeals to me because the explorer interface is overdue for an update. I just bought Modern File Explorer from the Store for about 7 bucks and I;ll check that out. Looks like it interfaces with Google Drive and OneDrive among built-in file compression using zip etc etc etc. Microsoft UWA File Explorer looked pretty lame last time I looked but is free.

Someday I'd like to discuss other terminal emulators and also wonder whether people have tried other file copy programs. I like Teracopy Free but don't yet see any real added value for me to buy pro.

End of my two cents. I'm enjoying the Einstein@home screensaver - maybe it will come up with more central galactic gravitational waves. No doubt more controversy will be stirred up if we discuss Start Menu replacements or add on. I've been using Stardocks Start 10 program - it's one of the first things I install after a clean install. If I want the Windows 10 Start Menu its available directly and unmodified from the Start 10 Menu.
I also use Winstep's Nextstart and Workshelp programs. I worked several years with Jorge C. the founder of the company. Winstep Ultimate is awesome.

That's not the latest version. Confusingly this is even though it has a lower version no. http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/

The latest version of QtTabBar I can find (according to the author) is 1.5.0.0b2.msi. I use Sumo pro to verify the latest updates for my programs and have sent corrections to the author which he fixes. For what it's worth her my export list. Enjoy - I do. Sorry for the text file - it is delimited by "OK". There are 84 programs. I did export to an Excel spreadsheet if this listing offends somebody (doubtless it will

Adobe Flash Player for Firefox Adobe Systems, Inc. 27.0.0.183 OKAdobe Flash Player for Firefox (64 bits) Adobe Systems, Inc. 27.0.0.183 OKAdvanced SystemCare IOBit 11.0.3.169 OKAdvanced Task Manager Innovative Solutions 5.6.0.72 OKAgent for SSH NetSarang Computer, Inc. 5.0.0.20 OKAlternateStreamView (64 bits) NirSoft 1.54 OKAMD Problem Report Wizard (64 bits) Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 9.0.0.4 OKAOMEI Backupper AOMEI Technology Co., Ltd. 4.0.6.0 OKBOINC Manager (64 bits) Space Sciences Laboratory 7.8.3.0 OKBootLogXP Greatis Software 2.5.2.7 OKcalibre (64 bits) calibre-ebook.com 3.11.1.0 OKCCleaner (64 bits) Piriform Ltd 5.36.0.6278 OKClover EJIE Technology 3.0.406.0 OKConEmu (64 bits) Maximus5 17.9.10.0 OKCPU-Z (64 bits) CPUID 1.8.1.1 OKDashlane Dashlane, Inc. 5.0.0.10636 OKDesktopOK (64 bits) Nenad Hrg (SoftwareOK.com) 4.8.5.0 OKDesktopSnowOK (64 bits) Nenad Hrg (SoftwareOK.com) 3.2.3.0 OKDriverMax Innovative Solutions 9.38.0.268 OKEasyBCD NeoSmart Technologies 2.3.0.207 OKEvent Log Explorer FSPro Labs 4.6.1.2115 OKexplorer-win64 (64 bits) 5.4.2.57392 OKFont Browser Winstep Software Technologies 1.01.0009.0 OKGoogle Chrome (64 bits) Google Inc. 64.0.3257.0 OKGraphStudioNext RadScorpion 0.7.1.28 OKGraphStudioNext (64 bits) RadScorpion 0.7.1.28 OKInternet Download Manager Tonec Inc. 6.29.1 OKIObit Malware Fighter IOBit 5.3.0.4078 Update available (5.3.0.4086)IOBit Uninstaller IOBit 7.1.0.19 OKiReboot NeoSmart Technologies 2.0.1.42 OKLaunch application with delay Greatis Software 6.9.6.2011 OKmadHcCtrl madshi.net 1.1.20.6 OKMedia Player Classic - Home Cinema (64 bits) MPC-HC Team 1.7.13.112 OKMemory History Tool Lat-Ton® Limited Partnership 2.6.2.6 OKNextSTART Winstep Software Technologies 17.01.0821.0 OKNimbus fvdmedia 1.0.0.0 OKO&O ShutUp10 O&O Software GmbH 1.6.1393.1 OKOpera developer Internet Browser (64 bits) Opera Software 50.0.2753.0 Update available (50.0.2759.0)ParkControl (64 bits) Bitsum Technologies 1.2.7.2 OKPartition Assistant Help AOMEI Technology Co., Ltd. 2.0.0.1 OKPDF-XChange Editor (64 bits) Tracker Software Products Ltd. 6.0.322.7 OKPDF-XChange Printer (64 bits) Tracker Software Products Ltd. 6.0.322.7 OKPingPlotter Pingman Tools, LLC 5.5.6.3807 OKPortExpert KC Softwares 1.7.2.12 OKPowerArchiver (64 bits) ConeXware, Inc. 17.1.6.0 OKRadeon Settings (64 bits) Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 10.1.1.1681 OKRegRun Run Job Greatis Software 6.9.6.2010 OKRegRun Start Control Greatis Software 9.30.0.630 OKRevo Uninstaller Pro (64 bits) VS Revo Group 3.2.0.0 OKRunGuard file checker Greatis Software 6.9.6.2010 OKShows open files Greatis Software 6.9.8.2012 OKSmart Defrag IOBit 5.7.1.1150 OKStardock ModernMix Stardock Corporation 1.0.0.1 OKStardock Start10 Stardock Corporation 1.5.6.0 OKStarWind V2V Converter StarWind Software 8.0.168.0 OKSUMo KC Softwares 5.4.0.374 OKSystem Files Editor Greatis Software 6.9.6.2010 OKSystem Information Topala Software Solutions 7.7.0.0 OKSystem Information (64 bits) Topala Software Solutions 7.7.0.0 OKTakeOwnershipEx Winaero - Free small and useful software for Windows 1.2.0.1 OKTCC LE (64 bits) JP Software 14.00.09.0 OKTeraCopy Code Sector Inc. 3.2.6.0 OKTotal Commander (64 bits) Ghisler Software GmbH 9.1.1.0 OKTreeSize Free JAM Software 4.0.3.372 OKTweaking.com - Registry Backup Tweaking.com 3.5.0.3 OKTweaking.com - Windows Repair Tweaking.com 4.0.0.9 OKUltimate Windows Tweaker The Windows Club 4.3.0.0 OKUnHackMe Greatis Software 9.30.0.630 OKUnlocker (64 bits) Cedrick Collomb 1.9.2 OKViewer for LRF files (64 bits) calibre-ebook.com 3.11.1.0 OKVivaldi (64 bits) Vivaldi Technologies AS 1.13.971.8 OKVLC media player (64 bits) VideoLAN Team 3.0.0.0 OKWinaero Tweaker Winaero - Free small and useful software for Windows 0.8.0.0 OKWindows 10 Manager Yamicsoft 1.5.9.0 OKWindows 10 Manager - 1-Click Cleaner Yamicsoft 1.7.3.0 OKWindows Repair Toolbox Alexandre Coelho 2.0.0.4 Update available (2.0.0.5)Winstep Start Menu Organizer Winstep Software Technologies 1.06.0092.0 OKWinstep Theme Manager Winstep Software Technologies 17.01.0100.0 OKWinstep Translator Winstep Software Technologies 1.00.0028.0 OKWorkShelf Winstep Software Technologies 17.01.1212.0 OKWR Tray Icon Tweaking.com 4.0.0.0 OKXLaunch wizard for starting Xming Colin Harrison 6.9.0.31 OKXming X Server Colin Harrison 6.9.0.31 OKXshell NetSarang Computer, Inc. 5.0.0.50 OK

Actually I should apologize to D.S. for disdaining the fact that 17025 was released to the slow ring. I have convinced my wife to let me install it on her machine replacing a dual boot openSUSE\Windows 7 system which is very long in the tooth. As those of you who have been married for awhile realize this is no small feet