Windows 10: How to get the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update

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  1.    20 Oct 2017 #351

    Thanks Bree...I was curious about his answer...I didn't think it was that...Anyway, no problem now that I am back on factory image (no blocking)...I downloaded Fall Creators Update and am going to install to dvd to have just in case (hopefully a better download will result) but tomorrow, I will use Upgrade Assistant to do the upgrade...fingers crossed the problem will now be gone when it's installed...
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  2.    21 Oct 2017 #352

    Strange that the new folder locking feature to help manage Ransomeware is set to OFF by default? I've switched mine on via Defender and it blocked an Adobe Reader file save, which shows it works, but I've now added AR to the list of exceptions and it now saves pdf files into Documents. We'll see how it goes but to set it OFF by default seems weird.
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       21 Oct 2017 #353

    Strangely enough I found the opposite to you, but I downloaded on Friday 13th, (I love to live dangerously), as part of the Insider Release Preview, but as I use the full Paid Bitdefender suite that already has the anti Ransomware in place, and configured for my needs, I immediately switched off the Windows one. It may be that the actual release version was shipped with the off setting due to feedback or the switch is in one of the post release updates
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  4.    21 Oct 2017 #354

    Hi,

    DaiB said: View Post
    Strange that the new folder locking feature to help manage Ransomeware is set to OFF by default? I've switched mine on via Defender and it blocked an Adobe Reader file save, which shows it works, but I've now added AR to the list of exceptions and it now saves pdf files into Documents. We'll see how it goes but to set it OFF by default seems weird.
    It's switched off by default. It takes quite a bit to set it up to your needs. So much so that I decided to switch it back off....

    Cheers,
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       21 Oct 2017 #355

    As stated I have the Bitdefender antiransomware and found it to be a PITA at the start because to give a decent level of protection, any such system, ( including the windows one ), must use a broad brush approach which means marking the standard user data folders, (Documents, Downloads, Music, etc. and also the more hidden ProgramData folders and the like), as protected from access by all applications, with an appropriate pop up to whitelist applications as they attempt to access protected areas.

    I actually found that the basic applications that I use were whitelisted quickly, but the issue came from less used items where for a moment the delay whilst the antiRansomware checked the application and presenting the popup caused annoyance.

    This all settled down after a few months except that if I added a new Application the installer would throw an error as it was not allowed to write to protected system folders which meant that the installer had to be run more than once with access granted to needed folders.

    Not sure how the built-in windows system will work but this sort of thing is worth remembering if you activate the system and find issues with new installations

    Yes, it can be annoying but these days the battle against the ransomware scum is important enough to go through the set-up process
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       21 Oct 2017 #356

    Barman58 said: View Post
    As stated I have the Bitdefender antiransomware and found it to be a PITA at the start because to give a decent level of protection, any such system, ( including the windows one ), must use a broad brush approach which means marking the standard user data folders, (Documents, Downloads, Music, etc. and also the more hidden ProgramData folders and the like), as protected from access by all applications, with an appropriate pop up to whitelist applications as they attempt to access protected areas.

    I actually found that the basic applications that I use were whitelisted quickly, but the issue came from less used items where for a moment the delay whilst the antiRansomware checked the application and presenting the popup caused annoyance.

    This all settled down after a few months except that if I added a new Application the installer would throw an error as it was not allowed to write to protected system folders which meant that the installer had to be run more than once with access granted to needed folders.

    Not sure how the built-in windows system will work but this sort of thing is worth remembering if you activate the system and find issues with new installations

    Yes, it can be annoying but these days the battle against the ransomware scum is important enough to go through the set-up process
    @Barman58, Nigel this is how the Windows on mis-functions(I cannot us the word "works" here): Change Windows Defender Controlled Folder Access Settings - Windows 10 Security System Tutorials
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       21 Oct 2017 #357

    It has to block everything at the start so that it can build an accurate list of whitelisted apps, down to the version number and issue data, so many users hack at systems which could lead to a standard app being thought of as an attack or an area used for saves not being protected, there are many who do not use the defaults imagine a user who uses a 3rd party app to do a task or works in a non standard file structure, if the standard app is preset as OK then a bad instance of the standard app could do damage.

    Of course it's everyone's choice as to if they are prepared to spend the time to protect their data or not
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       21 Oct 2017 #358

    But it blocked me from restoring something from the recycle bin even, How would I white list that?
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  9.    21 Oct 2017 #359

    Hi,
    @Cliff S : Recycle Bin is nothing but a folder too as you may well know. It's a protected, hidden, system folder.

    My point above was that I soon found out that this protection seems more of an added nuisance, at least to me. i keep regular MR images so I decided to put my eggs in that basket.

    Cheers,
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       21 Oct 2017 #360

    I would imagine that it's either the specific folder restored to needs to be allowed or the particular Recycle bin, (folder), itself - I am assuming the the relevant explorer process is whitelisted
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