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  1.    4 Weeks Ago #541
    Join Date : Nov 2013
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    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & Insider 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by slicendice View Post
    I am sorry but there is a big difference between a Windows build and an Inbox App. If you look really closely at all Inbox apps, their versioning has nothing to do with the Windows versioning.

    For instance, we don't have OneDrive Build 17017.1000, or do we? This is were the difference could be. It is a bit unclear if MS will separate those parts between Fast Ring and Skip Ahead. For me it would make much sense to do it this way, because while Windows core binaries get new features, some Apps that are known to be good should be version locked until they break because something in the core OS changed too much. Meanwhile Skip Ahead would already have a working version and that version could be bundled in the Fast Ring and Slow Ring builds.

    Just a thought.
    There is a big difference indeed. I guess some people can’t accept the fact that this isn’t Gram and Gramp’s Windows anymore. Hasn’t been since the inception/introduction of 8 with the Store app, UWP apps, and now Win32 app packages being offered through the Store. e.g. The new Office 365 Home preview.

    Installation Package (Windows)

    This is in no way the same as a win32 app developer tweaking their app and/or adding features, then sending it to update within the app via an installer.

    Although the tree trunk (build) is the same ATM, the branches are still separate (rings). Skippy is a variant of the fast ring that accepts a higher risk. That’s why newer versions of apps get ported there. All Insider systems are registered on a server with their separate branches. MS controls the packages. Again, although the build is the same ATM, MS sends different packages to their respective Insider branch for testing. When they feel confident that they’re ready for fast ring, they’ll port them there. We also have to keep in mind other developers that need to tweak their apps.

    Also, I’m sure MS is well on their way developing rs_5 and testing core apps on it as they go along. Both teams working in conjunction of one another. When they feel confident that rs_5 is ready, then they’ll port it over to Skippy for us to test. Meanwhile all those tested older versions of the apps stay with rs_4 to eventually get RTMed for the Spring/Summer Feature update.

    Bottom line is that Skippy is very much alive. Just not in the magnitude that it was when rs_4 was introduced.
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  2.    4 Weeks Ago #542
    Join Date : Dec 2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by slicendice View Post
    I am sorry but there is a big difference between a Windows build and an Inbox App. If you look really closely at all Inbox apps, their versioning has nothing to do with the Windows versioning.

    For instance, we don't have OneDrive Build 17017.1000, or do we? This is were the difference could be. It is a bit unclear if MS will separate those parts between Fast Ring and Skip Ahead. For me it would make much sense to do it this way, because while Windows core binaries get new features, some Apps that are known to be good should be version locked until they break because something in the core OS changed too much. Meanwhile Skip Ahead would already have a working version and that version could be bundled in the Fast Ring and Slow Ring builds.

    Just a thought.
    Why are you not getting it. The Rings have merged - there is only one Ring. There is only one build now 17017.

    MS are no longer servicing a Skip ahead version with new apps anymore. They told us it was being merged not that they were being kept functionally separate.

    Load up a build 17017 derived directly from 16299.15 and compare it with a Skippy build you have.

    You will not be able to detect any difference - I checked the photos app - it was same in both.

    Rather than theorising, check it yourself like I have.
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  3.    4 Weeks Ago #543
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240

    I have a feeling that MS want to keep the 1709 RTM Feature Update 16299.15 out of the scrutiny of many of the Insider Preview Programme participants, and let their 16299.nn telemetry and feedback come from the general population of users rather from the more knowledgeable Insiders - thus skip ahead prior to RTM and the remarkably rapid release of 17017 before the RTM date to Fast ring insiders.

    Why would MS do this? Perhaps because the Insider telemetry and feedback may be skewing statistics because of the prevalent types of machines running Insider builds - Virtual machines, Professional vs. Home editions, multi-booting etc., and certain issues being fixed by means not necessarily endorsed by Microsoft - and much of this coming from the well-linked and well-informed Insider community.
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  4.    4 Weeks Ago #544
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Arnold, MD
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    Triple boot - Win 10 Pro, Win 10 Pro Insider (2) - (and a sprinkling of VMs)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher Mann View Post
    I guess I am so old now that U.S. English has passed me by. What in the world does "Snap" mean in "We'll snap tonight's build as a candidate"?
    Quote Originally Posted by magilla View Post
    who knows -- I'm old too, so don't know what it means
    Probably something shorthand and cutesy for "Take a picture/image of it and make a Canary", or something....
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  5.    4 Weeks Ago #545
    Join Date : Feb 2016
    Maribor, Slovenia
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    Windows 10 (Pro and Insider Pro)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    I have a feeling that MS want to keep the 1709 RTM Feature Update 16299.15 out of the scrutiny of many of the Insider Preview Programme participants, and let their 16299.nn telemetry and feedback come from the general population of users rather from the more knowledgeable Insiders - thus skip ahead prior to RTM and the remarkably rapid release of 17017 before the RTM date to Fast ring insiders.

    Why would MS do this? Perhaps because the Insider telemetry and feedback may be skewing statistics because of the prevalent types of machines running Insider builds - Virtual machines, Professional vs. Home editions, multi-booting etc., and certain issues being fixed by means not necessarily endorsed by Microsoft - and much of this coming from the well-linked and well-informed Insider community.
    This sounds like a great master plan... On the other hand, they may just sc**w up
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  6.    4 Weeks Ago #546
    Join Date : Nov 2015
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    WINDOWS 10 Pro x64 builds 17040.1000, 16299.64

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
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    Precisely I just got an update for the Store in Skip Ahead that changes the name to "Microsoft Store" and also changes the icon, these changes were already in the Release Preview ring because, for some reason, Microsoft sends the new versions of the Store first to that ring
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  7.    4 Weeks Ago #547
    Join Date : Apr 2017
    Mountains of Western NC
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    Win 10 Pro x64 17040 Skippy

    Quote Originally Posted by LEOPEVA64 View Post
    Precisely I just got an update for the Store in Skip Ahead that changes the name to "Microsoft Store" and also changes the icon, these changes were already in the Release Preview ring because, for some reason, Microsoft sends the new versions of the Store first to that ring
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    I had to update my apps to get "Microsoft" Store. Did not come in automatically on my Skippy.

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  8.    4 Weeks Ago #548
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240

    Quote Originally Posted by AndreTen View Post
    This sounds like a great master plan... On the other hand, they may just sc**w up
    MS also knew that the MCT download links had been leaked, and thus the destinations of all the leaked downloads.

    They have all our IPs, and no doubt could identify most of us down to our bank details. They know I joined Bing rewards, but got bored with it after a few days and still do most of my searches with Google on Chrome.

    How 16299.15 got out must have been as much fun for the MS Analysts as watching the Wannacry exploit spread globally was to MalwareTech (is Hutchins still in jail in the US? - apparently not, according to ars technica)
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  9.    4 Weeks Ago #549
    Join Date : Dec 2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    MS also knew that the MCT download links had been leaked, and thus the destinations of all the leaked downloads.

    They have all our IPs, and no doubt could identify most of us down to our bank details. They know I joined Bing rewards, but got bored with it after a few days and still do most of my searches with Google on Chrome.

    How 16299.15 got out must have been as much fun for the MS Analysts as watching the Wannacry exploit spread globally was to MalwareTech (is Hutchins still in jail in the US? - apparently not, according to ars technica)
    I suggest you need to buy a thicker tin foil hat :-).
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  10.    4 Weeks Ago #550
    Join Date : Jan 2017
    Turku
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    Windows 10 Pro IP Build 16299.19 (Branch: RS3 Release)

    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Why are you not getting it. The Rings have merged - there is only one Ring. There is only one build now 17017.

    MS are no longer servicing a Skip ahead version with new apps anymore. They told us it was being merged not that they were being kept functionally separate.

    Load up a build 17017 derived directly from 16299.15 and compare it with a Skippy build you have.

    You will not be able to detect any difference - I checked the photos app - it was same in both.

    Rather than theorising, check it yourself like I have.
    YOU are the one not getting it?

    I just updated ALL Store Apps on both my Skip Ahead and Fast Ring build 17017 VMs.

    On Fast Ring most apps are 10-200 revisions behind compared to Skip Ahead. Not all apps though. So before you come and say I need to check my facts, maybe you should take your own advice and check your facts before raging about me speculating.

    So the bottom line is that these rings behave differently and that Skip Ahead is very much alive! PERIOD!
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